The 2020 Bowling Green Amateur Championships

Rob Glover

I received nothing.

Dusty Dog Holbrook

I've told several people I have not received anything... I'm not sure you were one of them..... so now you are.

Dusty Dog Holbrook

Andrew, are you the one that got left handling this mess? I'm sure this has been a nightmare. Do you physically have all the players packs that are owed to people?

Debra Perkins

My boyfriend and I have not received ours yet! Thanks Andrew for all you are doing.

Shawn Smith

I have not received anything 83588. And my son Trevor Smith had not received anything 87875

Charles Dalton

Nothing for myself 96083 and brook Johnson 108871

Terry Wood

nada

Shane Glass

Nothing here

Bob Cundiff

Dusty, Andrew/the pdga does not have anything. He is just trying to push Doc to do something

Shawn Davie

Nothing for Shawn and Titus Davie. Thanks for working on it Andrew.

John Dowling

Nothing here either...

Andrew Sweeton

OK, I already had everything above except Terry Wood so I have updated the file to show Terry still needs a player pack.

Andrew Sweeton

Debra Perkins - I already had you, but what is your boyfriend's name?

Ryan Brewer

@andrew sweeton am I on there? I still haven’t received either. As well as a friend Coby Stacy #130098

Debra Perkins

Kevin Peterson is my boyfriend.

Raymond Brown

I have not received anything yet Andrew but I am moving next month. Since I have no way to verify Doc gets my new address could I send it to you to forward to him?

Andrew Sweeton

Sure: send to [email redacted] and I'll forward it to him.

Andrew Sweeton

Oh, and everyone above who said they had not yet gotten their player pack were marked as such in the file.

Brandon Maynard

I have still not received my players pack/shirt BigDog #119334

Andrew Sweeton

OK, thanks Brandon. If anyone has received since last reporting, please let me know.

Brandon Maynard

no problem! i appreciate all you are trying to do in order to make this right. The community as a whole I'm sure is very thankful for your support and effort.

Brian Grose

I also did not receive a refund or players pack from last year. Brian Grose pdga#120311

Steve Harmeyer

So is this basically over and we are screwed out of getting anything at this point. I appreciate your help Andrew but it seems like those of us who got nothing back are out of luck now.

Ryan Brewer

100% this is absolutely bull****

Gene Sorg

I have not received a refund or player pack. 69214

Paul McGuire

Nope

Byron Cornett

Still have received nothing

Jeff Wetjen

nothing here ...69121

Brandon Maynard

Hey Big Dog, still no player pack here. Any new updates #119334

Jarrod Goodhue

I just saw that Doc Turner has been suspended 1 year under PDGA disciplinary actions: https://www.pdga.com/files/current_disciplinary_actions_04-19-2021_0.pdf

Andrew Sweeton

Yes, we held off in the hope he would make things right, but it's been months now with no response, or anyone else reporting having received a player pack, so we pulled the trigger on the suspension. If he ever wants to play in an event again, he'll need to take care of all the players. I've got the list of who needs what still, so I'll be standing ready to help him do so.

Brandon Maynard

Thanks for the update. I'm glad to know that something is being done, although I hate to see it have to go this way. Thanks for the support!

Debra Perkins

Well that's great so I'm out the money for the tourney and don't even get the players pack either. I hope I run into this POS someday. I won't say what's going to happen but he won't be happy about it.

Brian Grose

Still nothing, i'm guessing i'll never see anything from this

Jeff Wetjen

Anything going to ever come of this?

Andrew Sweeton

See my comment above on April 20, haven't heard boo from him since we suspended him.

Brian Grose

nope nothing

Brandon Maynard

I have yet to receive anything from this tournament

Rod Norton

Thanks Andrew.

Jim Stack

Thank you for all your doing!!

Andrew Sweeton

Most welcome, and I know you lived through doing the same for that Nashville event. I now have a better appreciation for what all you did concerning that, thanks Rod!

Craig Dickerson

Thanks for your hard work, Andrew.

Chad TeeRex Turnbow

Thanks Andrew

Billy Turnbull

Thank u for what u are doing,

Mike Stump - OldStump

Well said Andrew. It's a deal but no one is dead or bleeding over this. Thanks for what you do. I'm sorry you have to deal with self serving whiners.

Mike Michalak

well said / I have been trying to explain this to various players for some time that the PDGA is trying to do what they can but the only person that has the $$ and can do the right thing is the TD for he is the person who collected the $$ not the PDGA and all the PDGA can do is request the TD to handle the ongoing situation and do the right thing

Jim Jean

Thanks Big Dog!

J Moyer S.D.G.C.

Thank you sir.

Bryan Goyette

Thank you, I really appreciate it.

Jimmy Ambrose

We appreciate your help and I think we just all are wondering what you are doing with all of your gathering of information. Beat on Doc is good. Everyone seems to want to see some responsibility accepted by Doc. I would be very scared if I was him.

Jacob marucco

Just sent mine and 4 guys from Michigan who have not received anything. Thank you.

andy steiner

I have not received one thing

Tony Rohrer

Myself and another buddy from Michigan are still waiting.

J Moyer S.D.G.C.

Buddy got his, but nothing for me so far.

Byron Cornett

Still nothing

Jimmy Ambrose

Still nothing as well.

Eric Whitehead

Still nothing

Ryan Brewer

Also haven’t received mine. No contact from Doc, no contact from the PDGA. I understand they don’t receive money from this but it IS sanctioned by them. I called Kentucky’s attorney general and he said the only place that can be sued is the PDGA as it was sanctioned by them and hosted via an outside company. Then the PDGA would have to sue Doc.

Craig Dickerson

I haven’t received mine either and at this point I really don’t care. I suggest not getting upset about not receiving something that is just going to completely disappoint you if you do happen to ever get it. Now I realize $100 is $100, and I understand principal, but i’m strugglin ... more

I haven’t received mine either and at this point I really don’t care. I suggest not getting upset about not receiving something that is just going to completely disappoint you if you do happen to ever get it. Now I realize $100 is $100, and I understand principal, but i’m struggling to understand how $100 is that big of a hit to folks to want to cause litigation or some class action rigmarole. I mean, presumably we aren’t using our rent money to buy into a disc golf tourney, right? Did anyone really use anything besides disposable income for this event? As far as Doc, here’s what I think... He spent the money (I’m betting on personal debt) as soon as he received registrations assuming he would pay it back with money made from payouts and sponsorships. I’m betting that’s why he was so quick to say he wasn’t giving refunds (at the time) when the tourney first got postponed. I don’t believe Doc just pocketed the money or bought a new car. He was desperate, he gambled, and lost. While he might have got some temporary relief with the windfall, I bet he is still on the struggle bus. Out of all of this, two things I struggle with. One, how people actually were defending Doc, and two, how people blame the PDGA. This was a bad situation and we all got screwed, but I think it’s time to move on. Evident Doc has...

Shane Glass

Andrew, any updates on people who have received stuff recently? Unfortunately, I was a double-loser with BG and Nash. I finally got some things for Nash as I went directly to Prodigy, but I have yet to receive anything for BG. Curious what % have gotten anything so far. I've heard rumblings of a few packs going out, but that's all.

Ryan Brewer

@craig I don’t like knowing a thief has my money. I 100000% won’t press since it would be pushed onto the PDGA. If the class action went against Doc 1048295018401% would. Why wouldn’t I? At this point there’s hundreds of people that didn’t receive their stuff still. That’s tens of thousands of dollars, why should he be let off the hook for it? It’s more about principal for me.

Zachary Taylor

I havent recieved anything nor heard anything he wont respond to me

Zachary Taylor

I havent even had anyone try to message me about my things so I feel like cheated on the one chance I've actually had to play in this tournament and look what happened

Tony Rohrer

Andrew, can you give us an update on your stats and any feedback from Doc? For example, x number of players or X percent of players have received there player packs. As this is a PDGA sanctioned tournament is there no responsibility for the PDGA to push to correct this issue. I feel that we need one voice to make some this happen with this guy.

Tony Rohrer

Furthermore, does the PDGA have an attorney to run this though? I think that is we’re we are at.

Mike Michalak

PDGA does not have a penny of our $$ / those $$ were all hi jacked by Doc Turner. There are no funds for them to hire an attorney or to get us refund for they have collected -0- for this event. PDGA collect $$ per player post event not pre-event. Any litigation would have to be pursued against this ... more

PDGA does not have a penny of our $$ / those $$ were all hi jacked by Doc Turner. There are no funds for them to hire an attorney or to get us refund for they have collected -0- for this event. PDGA collect $$ per player post event not pre-event. Any litigation would have to be pursued against this TD that has dropped the ball on us all. I would expect sanctions against this TD from the PDGA (expulsion / and/or suspension from the PDGA but that is about the limit of their ability to make this right other than hounding Doc to do the right thing and get all players the player packs (again once that player pack is received it will not ease your pain it will just infuriate you more how crappy that player pack actually is based on entry fees paid.

Tony Rohrer

I appreciate the comment Mike. With the large total amount stolen from us I am having a hard time comprehending that we can not ban together to do something. We are talking thousands of dollars and this just isn’t right.

Mike Michalak

Suit against the TD by players but it would have to be some type of class action and attorney take it completely on a contingency basis. A PDGA player that is an attorney could make a few bucks but the wrongdoer would have to be collectible and I am not sure Doc has assets that would warrant such a suit.

Jimmy Ambrose

I think at this point if we can gather a true list of those who honestly just signed up and did not receive anything they need to look at either giving us free entry into 2021 tournament or send us a 2021 players pack. Something has to be done to right the wrong. I'm not sure how to handle the ones who paid into more such as sponsoring a hole, shirts, etc.

Mike Stump - OldStump

I entered..

Mike Michalak

Jimmy, HB has nothing to do with the $$ stolen by Doc / he has no way to give you anything free for the 2021 event stands completely separated (thank God) from the 2020 event that Doc embezzled

Jimmy Ambrose

Mike - I understand that, but it's still the same yearly tournament no matter what. Maybe 1/2 price entry fee or anything to help save face moving forward. I'm afraid it will affect the outcome of the 2021 tournament.

Mike Stump - OldStump

Different Mike here. You don't understand.. totally different people running the show..

Jimmy Ambrose

I guess I don't. There will be a lot of upset people moving forward who will never play this tournament again. We will see if 2021 has over 800 players like the previous years. All I'm saying is that if the ones who have not received anything for their 2020 entry fee that if HB "could ... more

I guess I don't. There will be a lot of upset people moving forward who will never play this tournament again. We will see if 2021 has over 800 players like the previous years. All I'm saying is that if the ones who have not received anything for their 2020 entry fee that if HB "could" assist those who were screwed by Doc try to do something to help that would go a long way helping to move forward for future events. I "understand" who screwed everyone and understand it was not HB and it's a different year, but it's the same tournament. Maybe a little help for those now will help the tournament in years to come.

Mike Stump - OldStump

As of today around 280 entries..

Billy Turnbull

yep and im one of them, but time to move on, Its only money and i wish i had it back but o'well

Mike Stump - OldStump

Well said!

Mike Michalak

Nothing HB can do for 2020 // I have played his events for 15 years and I am not worried that 2021 will be an issue and not holding someone else's mistake against a different TD just because the event is played in the same city. Those who do not sign up in 2021 are missing out for there will be no issues with embezzled $$

J Moyer S.D.G.C.

So the one year things get screwed up, is the same year that the event has a guest td?

Mike Michalak

exactly / if HB ran the event in 2020 this mess would have not occurred / you can not ask one TD pay for another's TD dishonesty. If you have been to BG from 2006 thru 2019 you know how the event is ran. The one year HB takes a hiatus from the event we have this mess Doc created. Judge HB on HB events not events he had nothing to do with. (2020 BG AMS was all DOC)

Tony Rohrer

I get where your going with the comment J Moyer. So, Benjamin Doc Turner was a first time TD in charge of a large A tier event. Isn’t there any type of TD vetting to handle such a large event. Seems like a broken system if not.

Mike Michalak

I agree with that Tony & i do not know Docs history on A-tier and possibly he should have not been granted permission to run A-tiers but I believe he had a long history of running events but justly royally screwed up this one and never made it right

J Moyer S.D.G.C.

It was going to be my first time down there. I would consider playing this year's event if I don't have to go through wait-list bs.

Mike Michalak

event registration this year is on DGU and no current wait list about 320 players signed up so far

HB Clark

https://events.discgolfunited.com/disc-golf-tournaments/event-detail.cfm/tourn_id/10402

HB Clark

Yes I am reviving this event, yes I tried to help Doc last year with advice - that did not go well, yes many sponsors got screwed out of $1000s making fund raising hard for me, and yes even if I take a loss I will run the event as planned. Come play the event, come play the courses both in your poo ... more

Yes I am reviving this event, yes I tried to help Doc last year with advice - that did not go well, yes many sponsors got screwed out of $1000s making fund raising hard for me, and yes even if I take a loss I will run the event as planned. Come play the event, come play the courses both in your pool and others that will be open for play, see the vendors that have committed to come, and who knows, maybe you can verify the DOC sightings around BG that I have heard of and ask him in person for a refund.

HB Clark

http://www.bluegrassdiscgolf.org/BGOpen.html is the web site with all the information on pools, schedules, hotels, vendors, and more. By using DGU registration I have better control of the event and stay out of pay pal issues. I am doing all am prizes on line through DGU so there is no waiting after the event hoping to cash out a voucher.

Joshua Trapp

Thank you Andrew.

Andrew Sweeton

If the TD ever wants to get off suspension, he will need to take care of all the players that are due a player pack.

Jim Stack

That would be nice but will never happen :(

Andrew Sweeton

You are probably correct, but we can always hope.

Andrew Sweeton

Well, not exactly nothing, we did all we could do by suspending him for however long it takes for him to make it right.

J Moyer S.D.G.C.

Pdga should require a bond or something, to prevent this from happening again.

Dusty Dog Holbrook

I'm in same boat...... nothing received and can't even get anyone to answer anything. This is def the worst experience in my disc golf adventures.

Walter Rayburn

I think this one is swept under the rug, I don't think we will get anything from the tournament.

Zach Pierce

Same.

Mike Michalak

Attended the 2021 B G Open that was ran by H B Clark who ran the B G Ams for every year other than 2020 and the event went along flawlessly. The only year H B did not run the event was in 2020 and it was ran by a different T D and club and all these issues occurred. Anyone who has a history with thi ... more

Attended the 2021 B G Open that was ran by H B Clark who ran the B G Ams for every year other than 2020 and the event went along flawlessly. The only year H B did not run the event was in 2020 and it was ran by a different T D and club and all these issues occurred. Anyone who has a history with this event and/ or with H B please DO NOT associate the 2020 fiasco with future B G events for they had nothing to do with that embezzlement of funds that took place in 2020.

Andrew Sweeton

We tried for months to work with the TD to get everyone taken care of, but then he fell off everyone’s radar and after several months of hearing nothing further from the TD (no responses to all my inquiries, no further player packs arriving to players) we finally suspended him. If he ever wan ... more

We tried for months to work with the TD to get everyone taken care of, but then he fell off everyone’s radar and after several months of hearing nothing further from the TD (no responses to all my inquiries, no further player packs arriving to players) we finally suspended him. If he ever wants to participate in a sanctioned event again, he will need to first take care of all the players he owes before he can get unsuspended. If that time ever comes, I still have my file of all the data I collected from the players as to who is owed what, so I’ll be ready to help him do what is right. Zachary - I have updated the file to show that you have not received anything.

Bob Cundiff

Zach…. I lost three entries with nothing in return. I feel your pain but I’d say you may as well write this one off sir. It sucks, x3 for me, but nothing will ever be done.

Gene Sorg

Yep, same here. Nothing.

Jeff Wetjen

Same...

Jimmy Ambrose

Same here. I’ve not received anything. I hope I’m at least on Andrew’s list.

Billy Turnbull

Nothing here either

Andrew Sweeton

I checked and everyone on this thread is properly marked in my file.

Debra Perkins

Well i'm responding to this it's a little late but just seen that pdga has finally suspended him. I still have not received money or players back. He should never ever be allowed to do anything with the pdga again. The only reason i signed up for the 2020 ams was I don't care to much for HB. He has a problem with women playing disc golf, he is slowly getting better about that.

J Moyer S.D.G.C.

Sounds like my player's pack is being sold off. Oh well, no big pdga events for me ever again.

Billy Ray Osborn

I used the crappy towel, from my players pack last year, for every round of this year's BGO. It just felt right.

Steve Harmeyer

DD never got paid for these so they are selling them off now.

J Moyer S.D.G.C.

DD should be sending discs to registrants and black listing douchebag. I'm sure a couple hindi isn't breaking them.

Jimmy Ambrose

Seems like I should get a $100 online voucher to get my player's pack since I didn't get anything.

Jimi Sheehy

Unfortunately, the ONLY person that owes us anything is Doc

Bob Cundiff

Jimmy, it cost me $300

Jimmy Ambrose

Jimi- I know that. Doc needs to provide it. Bob- that sucks! This whole thing has.

Mike Michalak

In BG enjoying a great tourney with great player pack with HB back in charge. Do not let a substitute TD for 1 year wrck this event after HB and his staff spent 20+ years building it up. If you came down this year you would see it is back to BG event we have all loved in the past.

Bob Cundiff

I’ll wait until it’s four rounds again

Andrew Sweeton

It's already been referred to the PDGA Discipline Committee.

Terry Wood

is there a kentucky lawyer disc golfer willing to file the class action suit? i'll pay the filing fee

Tony Rohrer

Thank you for doing this legwork Ryan. I am beyond discussed with this situation.

Matt Polk

I don't think anybody received shirts that were supposed to be part of the players pack- so we all feel your pain

Bob Cundiff

I paid for three entries and got nothing.

Ryan Brewer

And the PDGA hasn’t even suspended him for it lol

Allen Hall

Some people did receive shirts but most of us got absolutely nothing still. Last I heard the crook is actually STILL running events. Smh

Joshua Trapp

I also still have received nothing.

Lamar Futch

Me either.

Gene Sorg

Same here

Billy Turnbull

I just take it like money lost and life go's on. Just wish i could have it back.

Craig Dickerson

I haven’t received mine either so I understand the frustration. No one likes being screwed. I would caution that going to the news may have unintended consequences. First of all, they certainly can’t make Doc pay. He probably doesn’t have the money anyway. But second and more impor ... more

I haven’t received mine either so I understand the frustration. No one likes being screwed. I would caution that going to the news may have unintended consequences. First of all, they certainly can’t make Doc pay. He probably doesn’t have the money anyway. But second and more importantly, this may red flag municipalities into not allowing these types of tournaments or worse. Often, even while I’m sure they may have the best intentions, the local news tends to sensationalize a story. This could be a real black eye to disc golf overall and it shouldn’t be. I would prefer to keep this a Doc issue and not a disc golf issue, which is where it could in up in the eyes of those who don’t understand. I certainly don’t want to minimize the severity of the situation or the amount of money here. Let’s face it, this doesn’t happen often and while it is a horrible situation, it is quite isolated. Going to the news may help you win a battle but in the end we may lose the war. In future, I think we as a community should set up tighter vetting processes for TD’s, especially for larger events. Perhaps it’s time to think about bonds for tourney’s over a certain threshold.

Steve Harmeyer

Got nothing, no players pack, no refund for Ace pool or refund for early entry tee sponsorship.

Gene Sorg

I have not received a refund or player pack. #69214

Mike Stump - OldStump

I haven't. I won't support your whiny effort. Don't use my name.

Tony Rohrer

This is not a whiny effort Stump. A Thief should be brought to justice. If you don’t care why are you still checking the board? I would contact Andrew Sweeton for the list Ryan.

Raymond Noska

I still have not received anything

Raymond Noska

Didnt you say you already talked to the bg district attorney and the said the pdga needs to handle this ?

Ryan Brewer

My bank got back to me and said they can’t do anything and to contact the General Attorney for Kentucky. I contacted their local law enforcement earlier and it didn’t do anything yes. Also stump where did I whine? I simply asked a question.

Jimmy Ambrose

Received nothing #36458

Paul McGuire

Not a thing 108612

Ryan McMath

Still nothing - #50408

Clayton Coffman

nothing

Matthew Bryan

Haven’t received mine either. Thank you

michael pointer

Nothing here as well.

Xavier G

You’re not the only one

Allen Hall

Same here. What a shame

Richard Van Manen

same

Jim Stack

Same :(

Walter Rayburn

same

Shawn Smith

Nothing the pdga can do. They have been trying at least

Xavier G

Allegedly trying.... all the pdga does is send emails saying they can’t help and just make a list.

Zach Sholty

Even if you get yours you’ll still be getting screwed unfortunately

Jimmy Ambrose

Yea it’s happening and done. Sucks like hell.

Mike Michalak

The PDGA can do nothing financially for they do not have 1 single $$ of ours that we paid to this TD but I believe they can take disciplinary action against this TD so it never happens again. This fiasco is all on Doc but since he is a member of the PDGA organization I am asking that organization to ... more

The PDGA can do nothing financially for they do not have 1 single $$ of ours that we paid to this TD but I believe they can take disciplinary action against this TD so it never happens again. This fiasco is all on Doc but since he is a member of the PDGA organization I am asking that organization to levy the strictest suspension against this said TD for failure to provide the product promised for a PDGA event.

Steve Harmeyer

There should have been refunds for ace pool payments, sponsor fees and to any vendor who gave him money. Does anyone know a laywer who can help in this matter without costing us all of our money?

Kevin Williamson

Sweeton is still trying to get Doc to send player packs. The pdga suspension and disciplinary list is the only levereage he has against Doc to try to force him to send the packs. Once disciplined by the pdga, its highly unlikely if at all at this point that anymore player packs will be mailed if Doc is even still trying.

Xavier G

I haven’t either

John Dowling

Same here nothing

Allen Hall

Same here

Gene Sorg

Same here

Debra Perkins

Same here

Dwayne Hoffman

Same here as well.

John Dowling

Same here also

Jimmy Ambrose

My thoughts exactly.

Bob Cundiff

Shoot, I lost out on THREE entries for my family. I was going to go back this year because I lived the BG Ams and because HB is back. But I just don’t have the heart. I think I’m gonna pass. May never go back at my age. So disappointing

Dusty Dog Holbrook

Still nothing here either and I've jumped through all the hoops that I was suppose to. I've Emailed the people listed to email. I've filled out the form of what I was suppose to get with my name and pdga # but still nothing. I'm very disappointed because 2019 was my first year t ... more

Still nothing here either and I've jumped through all the hoops that I was suppose to. I've Emailed the people listed to email. I've filled out the form of what I was suppose to get with my name and pdga # but still nothing. I'm very disappointed because 2019 was my first year there and I loved it and was looking at going back. Although now I'm petty sure I will pass on it this year and many more. I'm out over $100 just like so many players. I can't believe pdga hasn't stepped in and revoked any memberships over this mess.

Mike Michalak

What Doc did for 1 year has nothing to do with what HB has done well for the 20 years prior and I am sure well do well moving forward. It is like saying I want free food from McDonalds because Burger King screwed up my order. One has nothing to do with the other. Looking forward for BG now and in the future, now that it is back in the capable hands of HB

Bob Cundiff

Not asking anything of HB, but if I get food poisoning at McDonalds, I’m likely to swear off all fast food for awhile. Even if I know and trust the cook. This years BG is still expensive, it’s a smaller players pack than normal and is three rounds instead of four. I’ll wait a year and see what happens.