Alexander Lelli: My (hopefully constructive) feedback: the gaps f

My (hopefully constructive) feedback: the gaps for holes 2 and 3 are pretty small which makes them harder which is fine if that is what is desired. I know there is more clearing planned though. Hole 7 from the tournament was a really difficult par 3 for my division (MA4). Either having a short (perhaps down and off to the right after cresting the initial hill) or bumping the par to 4 would make it play more to expectations. Other permanent and temporary holes play pretty well I'd say.
I'm also wondering if there is a plan at some point to clean up the trash? It'd be cool to have a day where people can come out to help, but COVID is a consideration.
Lastly, I wanted to say thanks again for organizing the tournament; things went very smoothly!

Mar 13, 2021

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Steve Nolff Mar 13, 2021 It is always challenging to design courses that fit all the needs of both the MA4 and MA1 players.

Eric Best Mar 13, 2021 There should always be some sort of route to the basket/landing zone; hole 3 is a pure poke-n'-hope. Overall, Hawthorne is a pretty solid course; hole 3 just needs a 'fair-way'.

Steve Nolff Mar 14, 2021

I don't really agree, Eric. There is no real line to the basket, but a high hyzer put three out of ... show more ›

I don't really agree, Eric. There is no real line to the basket, but a high hyzer put three out of four on my card in the fairway, in position for an up and down for three. I like challenging holes with placement an important part of the hole. The hole is not easy, by any means, but there are plenty of open holes to balance a few tight wooded challenges. They have opened up three quite a bit since they put it in. The course designers may see fit to continue to do so, but I would not be disappointed if they left it for a while to see how it breaks in.

Steve Nolff Mar 14, 2021 They are having a work day on Monday, Alex. https://www.discgolfscene.com/leagues/Monday_Workday_Doubles_2020

Steve Nolff Mar 14, 2021 I had inadvertantly posted the wrong link earlier, my apologies to anyone who saw it.

Eric Best Mar 14, 2021

So, to be clear, you like a hole that has no line to the basket, has a spike hyzer placement zone, i ... show more ›

So, to be clear, you like a hole that has no line to the basket, has a spike hyzer placement zone, isn't a score-separator (skill-wise), and isn't fun to play? Please don't ever design an entire course.

Jake "Kuba" Steinbrecher Mar 14, 2021

The forehand line is next to get cleared, the hyzer line was first, and this hole has been pinned by ... show more ›

The forehand line is next to get cleared, the hyzer line was first, and this hole has been pinned by multiple players of different abilities with the new turnover shot clearance. I love it! But also understand the big oak immediately off the temporary carpet tee throws people. Thanks for the feedback as a whole, this is exactly what we want and need before finalizing anything. Concrete is hard to move once poured and so would really like to know any and all thoughts from local players.

Eric Best Mar 14, 2021

Just have a line that (at the very least) pros can consistently hit. Difficult holes shouldn't invo ... show more ›

Just have a line that (at the very least) pros can consistently hit. Difficult holes shouldn't involve a lot of luck; I'm tired of course designing thinking that anything DG difficult is 'good'. I can drop a basket in the middle of any woods as a 'difficult' hole; but, it's ignorant to believe that it's a 'good' hole. Difficulty should praise skill over luck.

Jake "Kuba" Steinbrecher Mar 16, 2021

100% Agreed Eric! A \"Good Hole\" is one that incorporates skill as the backbone with maybe a little ... show more ›

100% Agreed Eric! A "Good Hole" is one that incorporates skill as the backbone with maybe a little luck sprinkled in. Having a specific line or throw is not always essential though, and in the absence of a defined "Must throw Line" multiple options to try will suffice. I am a firm believer that if many options exist (and results proven) anyone can step up to a hole and see their options and succeed. Will everyone reach the green? Never! But is it likely a seasoned player will reach the green? YES and hole 3 is no exception. The remaining clearing of 3 for the long pad will open the corner and allow for bigger arms and better players to play this hole from the long pad with a much more defined line. This is how the hole was designed, not to the short pad, but to the long, the short is essentially worked into a larger picture that is not yet completed. And, while your argument is 100% legitimate and 100% appreciated, I think we need to complete that hole before we can truly judge it's potential. Thanks again for your feedback and for coming out to the SMASH, and thank you Alex! For your feedback and for all your help yesterday, great shooting with you sir!

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