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There were questions and debates regarding the special conditions used on Hole 2 (playing to the island) and Hole 3 (playing back to land) that I would like to address. An excerpt of the rule book:
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There were questions and debates regarding the special conditions used on Hole 2 (playing to the island) and Hole 3 (playing back to land) that I would like to address. An excerpt of the rule book:
805.03 Special Conditions
Last updated: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 - 13:28
A) Rules governing special conditions that may exist on the course shall be clearly defined and disseminated to all players prior to the start of the tournament. All special conditions shall be covered in the players' meeting. Each player is responsible for adhering to all points covered in the player's meeting.
B) A drop zone may be utilized in special conditions. The Director must announce prior to the tournament how it is to be used and whether a penalty throw is to be assessed.
C) No rules may be stipulated which conflict with these rules, unless approved by the Tour Manager.
805.03 Clearly states that a drop zone may be used in special conditions, that the TD must announce prior to the tournament how it is to be played and WHETHER a penalty throw is to be assessed. This was followed properly and everyone was informed prior to the rounds. We chose not to assess a penalty throw to our special condition. This was at our discretion, and clearly allowed by the PDGA rule book. Thanks for your understanding.
Jul 26, 2017
805.03 Special Conditions
Last updated: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 - 13:28
A) Rules governing special conditions that may exist on the course shall be clearly defined and disseminated to all players prior to the start of the tournament. All special conditions shall be covered in the players' meeting. Each player is responsible for adhering to all points covered in the player's meeting.
B) A drop zone may be utilized in special conditions. The Director must announce prior to the tournament how it is to be used and whether a penalty throw is to be assessed.
C) No rules may be stipulated which conflict with these rules, unless approved by the Tour Manager.
805.03 Clearly states that a drop zone may be used in special conditions, that the TD must announce prior to the tournament how it is to be played and WHETHER a penalty throw is to be assessed. This was followed properly and everyone was informed prior to the rounds. We chose not to assess a penalty throw to our special condition. This was at our discretion, and clearly allowed by the PDGA rule book. Thanks for your understanding.
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Andy Morrison
Jul 25, 2017
I should say, we chose not to assess 2 penalty throws, as many people suggested. Anyone choosing the drop zone instead of throwing across the water was assessed one (1) penalty throw.
Kristy Moore
Jul 25, 2017
But why assess only a 1 throw penalty on one hole and a 2 throw penalty on the other for not throwin ...
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But why assess only a 1 throw penalty on one hole and a 2 throw penalty on the other for not throwing over the water? Also on hole 2 the sheet stated that if you were in the zone and threw OB going to the drop zone was mandatory, yet the spotter were having everyone play that if you crossed the island you played from where it went OB, that was not anywhere on the sheet. It stated two things, if you were in the zone the drop zone was mandatory if not regular OB applied. The whole thing was confusing, why have the same scenario on two different holes with two different results, and why was there no mention of throwing from where you went out, IF you crossed the island?
Andy Morrison
Jul 26, 2017
You're absolutely right, it was confusing for people. We will fix this in the future.
Scott Williams
Jul 26, 2017
I was the spotter on the island for the second day. I misunderstood my instructions when I went out ...
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I was the spotter on the island for the second day. I misunderstood my instructions when I went out. I will say what the rules are intended to address. We didn't want people throwing several shots into the water trying to reach the island, hence the drop zone. However, we also didn't want golfer to take advantage and throw from say the red tee pad over and get to take a drop at the platform.
Kristy Moore
Jul 26, 2017
I just hope you guys realize that all of the criticism isn't to bash anyone or give anyone a bad nam ...
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I just hope you guys realize that all of the criticism isn't to bash anyone or give anyone a bad name. The course is amazing and trust me I know how much work goes into hosting a B-Tier and I know it's all volunteer based, but you also have to understand that players pay good money to play in these events and when so many things are off with one event it is going to get some criticism. Again it wasn't to bash the event or bash anyone, it was to hopefully give you guys some insight on things that have to change to get this event to the caliber that it should be. I mean that the best course in this state, the title event there could be amazing with just a few changes.
Andy Morrison
Jul 26, 2017
Thanks Kristy. We bit off a lot this year with the additions to the course, and trying to be able to ...
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Thanks Kristy. We bit off a lot this year with the additions to the course, and trying to be able to accommodate more players. We've learned a lot and we will make the needed tweaks to eliminate the things we've been made aware of. I appreciate your criticisms, although iI will admit, it has felt a bit bashy sometimes. Could be the lack of sleep for 6 weeks that made me sensitive, but none the less, Thank you for your insight and participation. We will regroup after some well-needed rest and come back stronger next time. Be well.
Scott Jenkins
Jul 26, 2017
For my first time up there.. as expected the course itself was great, but the layout and rules for v ...
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For my first time up there.. as expected the course itself was great, but the layout and rules for various holes seemed very "we're running our first tournament" like. It was by far the most confusing layout I've ever seen in some 100 courses I've played. I had heard good things about payouts previously, but honestly in the end it seemed pretty sub par especially if you consider almost nobody throws DGA unless they dig the blowfly. Everyone I know isn't likely to go back unless some changes are made. Tee times or giving an extra block of time for the morning group is a MUST based on what happened this go around.
Kristy Moore
Jul 26, 2017
I understand that i can come off brutally honest sometimes but its not to bash anyone for sure. In t ...
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I understand that i can come off brutally honest sometimes but its not to bash anyone for sure. In the future these are the things that I think would make that event go a little better: First off, tee times. If you want to hose that many players on one course, you just need to do tee times. You can fit nearly the same amount of people and it would also help the layout situation. The layouts, ideally you want to keep the layouts as similar as possible while still being fair to each division. So, with tee times, you can have divisions play the same a layouts, just different tees for those layouts. For example running maybe just the 18 hole layout or 23 hole layout across the board but just changing the tees for each division. As for the water holes. I completely understood why you would want to implement drop zone rules as well as even the zone rule that you had on 2, but for the zone, imo, you should have maybe just painted and orange line that you had to cross, maybe down near the opening to the short basket rather than a specific zone. that way you were still able to have a zone and still able to implement the drop zone for those playing safe and the regular OB for those trying to cross. The zone itself was painted waay wonky and left too much chance as to whether your "safe shot" landed in it. As for the other, standard OB and drop zone strokes wise needs to be played. I have no issue with having folks not throw over the water, but you have to be consistent how you score that and it should always be throw for three from the drop, you should never reward someone for not attempting the shot and which essentially makes attempting and going OB a double penalty when compared to your competitors score who did even attempt it. again just throwing my opinions out there to help, not hurt in anyway. I now understand the player's pack and payout thing though. I realize DGA had more to do with the baskets than prob the deal you were cutting for just player's packs, but in the future I think a lot of the AMs would also appreciate someone other than DGA discs for player's pack and payout. I know that you can please everyone with the player's packs, but trying to at least get more popular molds would go a long way to making them a lot happier as well.