For visibility’s sake, posting as a new comment in addition to my reply below.
Update: If this gets deleted, I’ll just assume it wasn’t read or considered earnestly. And if that’s the route t ...
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For visibility’s sake, posting as a new comment in addition to my reply below.
Update: If this gets deleted, I’ll just assume it wasn’t read or considered earnestly. And if that’s the route the TD wants to go, that’s fine too. No skin off my teeth. Otherwise, sharing some thoughts below.
To be clear; nothing against this guy, just calling it how I see it. It would be cool if he could look in the mirror and raise his hand on something that could have been avoided with a little effort on the front end. Instead he’s deleting civil comments that point out the inconsistency in his adjudication of the tournament (I didn’t write the caddie guide nor the comments on PDGA Live). But when these issues were raised mid-round and little to no consideration was given to the notion that there might have been a mix-up; I withdrew from the tournament.
All this to be said; I’m a man of action, and feel there were ample solutions that are in line with the official rules and regulations of disc golf:
Hold a players meeting prior to the round to outline any deviations from what’s historically been played (per 811.A.1).
Remove the hole’s score and double up on Sunday’s round of the same course. Within the TD’s power prior to the finalization of the final round (per 801.03.C & 808.G.1).
Was any of this discourse had? No. Instead the TD wanted to set the record straight on my original post that MA1 didn’t play longs at last year’s BHMO (spoiler; I looked at the tournament. 488ft Par 4… we played longs).
Now, in keeping with my self-proclaimed title of Man of Action, with the next two days wide open, I’m happy to show what this process could’ve looked like. I’ll build the kind of clear, division-specific caddie guide that outlines tee assignments, OB rules, and any deviations from past years. The type of material that should be distributed before play begins. Heck, I’ll have it wrapped before the final card drops Sunday.
This ends one of two ways: the comment gets deleted without being read, or we turn it into something useful; an actual working example of what tournament prep should look like for an A Tier.
For those who wondered, this was the deleted comment, “Update: 2 stroke penalty with zero TD accountability. Would hate to have assessed myself to be OB on hole 9 seeing as there is no notation in PDGA Live.”
Luckily, numbers don’t lie.
BHMO 2024 MA1 Brent Hambrick Round 4: Hole 4 (May 19th), PDGA marked as Par 4 - 488’. 66 players in the division with zero 2s (Hole Average 3.74). Would seem almost impossible from the shorts.
BHMO 2023 MA1 Brent Hambrick Round 4: Hole 4 (June 4th), PDGA marked as Par 4 - 488’. 56 players in the division with zero 2s (Hole Average 4.07). Would seem almost impossible from the shorts.
BHMO 2022 MA1 Brent Hambrick Round 3 and 4: Hole 4 (May 29th), PDGA marked as Par 4 - 488’.
35 players in the division in round 3 and 33 players in round 4 with zero 2s (Hole Averages 4.26 and 4.12). Would seem almost impossible from the shorts.
All 2024 event descriptions outlined on Disc Golf Scene state MA1 as playing strictly from the longs. The only publicly available BHMO 2024 caddy guide (as the hyperlinks on the website are inactive) refers to the pro tournament played in August, not the amateur weekend.
Your comment regarding caddy guides might be painting with a broad brush. Visual indications prior to an event cut down on these types of issues. Nowhere in the rules is PDGA Live a source of gospel tournament information. The TD is the final authority on all course rules, layouts, and decisions during a sanctioned event (801.02.F.6 and 806.02.E). While PDGA Live is a helpful tool, it is not an official rules source and does not carry authority on its own. Players are responsible for attending the players meeting (811.A.1), which did not occur, and following any course instructions provided by the Tournament Director. If there is a conflict between PDGA Live and the TD’s instructions, the TD’s word takes precedence. Misplaying based on incorrect assumptions, even if those assumptions come from PDGA Live, can result in a penalty (811.F.1). The TD should know their word is final and own up to the mistake rather than ruin a division’s results. Hiding behind the mailed-in contradiction of those comments shouldn’t have governed this ruling.
Anyway, I get the sense you’ll feel the need to reply, which is fine but wouldn't be surprised if this thread is removed like the discussion before it. From my end, this feels like a good stopping point for this sidebar.
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First time putting one of these together. Kind of fun, turns out it’s nothing someone couldn’t knock out in a weekend.