Lakeshore Lush Bomber Open 8/29

Daemon, it is unfortunate that you could not hold your tournament at Lakeshore on Saturday, but to my knowledge it is not correct that Bill Gilbert and a3disc kicked you out of Lakeshore. Lakeshore di ... show more ›

Daemon, it is unfortunate that you could not hold your tournament at Lakeshore on Saturday, but to my knowledge it is not correct that Bill Gilbert and a3disc kicked you out of Lakeshore. Lakeshore did.

I'm still learning about how to get approval for events there, so I can't actually lay out a process, but here are some things I have learned. Don't take these for gospel, because I am still learning. I guess I'll find out if posts in here have a character limit ;-0

Before the current management took over, they had some serious, very serious problems there with drug apartments, pitbull fighting, etc., and 100+ 911 calls a month. The current management evicted or declined to renew leases for something like 70 percent of the people who had been living there and instituted the security situation you see there now. So they are very serious about controlling access as much as they can.

Even residents who are going to have a party above a certain size have to provide a guest list to security and obtain permission from management.

The agreement with a3disc is that it has veto over events there, but that veto absolutely did not apply in this instance. It is simply not true that a3disc or Bill Gilbert had anything to do with the tournament not being allowed. I know that Bill did not want it to be held there, on that date, but nothing I have learned tells me that he communicated that to Kat in any way.

The management insists that any event go through them for approval. We got formal approval to hold the Monday night glo league, for example. We didn't just go ahead and decide to do it.

If an event is disc golf course related, management will also check with a3disc (as noted above) and with The Throw Shop - not because The Throw Shop has a veto, we don't - but to try to work out that the whole thing is in some way advantageous to us, or at least not detrimental. As I told you, I don't think a tournament like yours hurts The Throw Shop at all and wish that you had been able to have it there.

Typically, when there is a large event held on the premisses, one of the things they ask the event management to do is make some sort of contribution to charity; in the case of disc golf events I think they'll be fine with donations to the basket fund for the next course, The Woods at Lakeshore. The man who runs the complex, Mike O'Lynnger, is really big on community events and contributions from the events to charity.

I'm sure there's more, but I am at the day job, after all. Ciao.

Yeah, Peter, those relationships are deadly important. I've probably spent more time talking nice to planners, administrators, property owners, park rangers over the last several years than out in the ... show more ›

Yeah, Peter, those relationships are deadly important. I've probably spent more time talking nice to planners, administrators, property owners, park rangers over the last several years than out in the field doing course design. You just can't appear to get in the face of the folks who own or manage the courses, 'cause they can just shut you down. Unfortunately, what matters most is their perception - because it's their reality, and it's what they'll make decisions based on.

unfortunate the way this went down.. thanks for some clarification Terry....I am not sure how a small, unsanctioned event such as LLB open v1.2 taxes the lakeshore apts resources more than any other ... show more ›

unfortunate the way this went down.. thanks for some clarification Terry....I am not sure how a small, unsanctioned event such as LLB open v1.2 taxes the lakeshore apts resources more than any other busy discing saturday...

However, we need to be sure we (disc golfers) maintain a good relationship with management....

Daemon, it is unfortunate that you could not hold your tournament at Lakeshore on Saturday, but to my knowledge it is not correct that Bill Gilbert and a3disc kicked you out of Lakeshore. Lakeshore di ... show more ›

Daemon, it is unfortunate that you could not hold your tournament at Lakeshore on Saturday, but to my knowledge it is not correct that Bill Gilbert and a3disc kicked you out of Lakeshore. Lakeshore did.

I'm still learning about how to get approval for events there, so I can't actually lay out a process, but here are some things I have learned. Don't take these for gospel, because I am still learning. I guess I'll find out if posts in here have a character limit ;-0

Before the current management took over, they had some serious, very serious problems there with drug apartments, pitbull fighting, etc., and 100+ 911 calls a month. The current management evicted or declined to renew leases for something like 70 percent of the people who had been living there and instituted the security situation you see there now. So they are very serious about controlling access as much as they can.

Even residents who are going to have a party above a certain size have to provide a guest list to security and obtain permission from management.

The agreement with a3disc is that it has veto over events there, but that veto absolutely did not apply in this instance. It is simply not true that a3disc or Bill Gilbert had anything to do with the tournament not being allowed. I know that Bill did not want it to be held there, on that date, but nothing I have learned tells me that he communicated that to Kat in any way.

The management insists that any event go through them for approval. We got formal approval to hold the Monday night glo league, for example. We didn't just go ahead and decide to do it.

If an event is disc golf course related, management will also check with a3disc (as noted above) and with The Throw Shop - not because The Throw Shop has a veto, we don't - but to try to work out that the whole thing is in some way advantageous to us, or at least not detrimental. As I told you, I don't think a tournament like yours hurts The Throw Shop at all and wish that you had been able to have it there.

Typically, when there is a large event held on the premisses, one of the things they ask the event management to do is make some sort of contribution to charity; in the case of disc golf events I think they'll be fine with donations to the basket fund for the next course, The Woods at Lakeshore. The man who runs the complex, Mike O'Lynnger, is really big on community events and contributions from the events to charity.

I'm sure there's more, but I am at the day job, after all. Ciao.

Kevin, I think you are mistaken. From recent PMs from William Gilbert- "If you are going to organize anything there you need to do it elsewhere until you are approved in advance by A3" "the Calh ... show more ›

Kevin, I think you are mistaken. From recent PMs from William Gilbert-

"If you are going to organize anything there you need to do it elsewhere until you are approved in advance by A3"

"the Calhouns to not have decision making powers at lakeshore. We the board of A3Disc do. "

"all tournament or events of any kind must go through A3 first. "


These statements all directly contradict what Kat told me yesterday. There seems to be some sort of communication issue, which because William is involved, is not a surprise to me. He is a very poor communicator.

Lakeshore has always been a private course. Its owned by the apartment complex, its not a public park. And because of the past events that were run there, that disregarded rules, the complex is now ... show more ›

Lakeshore has always been a private course. Its owned by the apartment complex, its not a public park. And because of the past events that were run there, that disregarded rules, the complex is now overseeing any events. As I understand it, A3 has only become the enforcer for what the complex wants.

If you want to run an event at Lakeshore you have to coordinate it with Kat Dickenson.
She has all her contact info on the discgolfersrus website.

http://www.discgolfersr.us/forum/topics/how-do-you-reserve-a-date-the

Lakeshore Lush Bomber Open #2 on 8/29. 10 days from now. Unsanctioned tourney, custom-stamped Innova, delicious burgers for lunch and everyone should be paid out by 6pm. http://www.discgolfscene ... show more ›

Lakeshore Lush Bomber Open #2 on 8/29. 10 days from now.

Unsanctioned tourney, custom-stamped Innova, delicious burgers for lunch and everyone should be paid out by 6pm.

http://www.discgolfscene.com/tournaments/Lakeshore_Lush_Bomber_Open_8_29_2009

please pre-reg if you plan on attending. thanks.