Lakeshore Lush Bomber Open 8/29

Dan Flanz    September 12, 2009 at 1:57am

Ihear of more and more people travling hours to play tournys to avoid this kind of bs. Kind of sad when u think of the amount of courses and players in our area

Daemon Stahlin    September 11, 2009 at 11:11pm

William, what issue is this regarding? You are a poor communicator and often confuse me. What problem will be solved when I take over your position?

g lane    September 11, 2009 at 11:04pm

william, i was very upset to see that you had removed me from your friends list and, i must admit, quite impressed that you were able to figure it out. see you at leagues.

Joe Anttila    September 11, 2009 at 10:04pm

What kind of stupid ass would want that job, William?

William Gilbert    September 11, 2009 at 9:33pm

I have a novel idea for you and your ilk Daemon.
Why dont you become president of A3 and you can run it anyway you would like to, problem solved?!
I can and will step down anytime anybody wants to take over my position.

Terry Calhoun    September 4, 2009 at 1:55am

Daemon, it is unfortunate that you could not hold your tournament at Lakeshore on Saturday, but to my knowledge it is not correct that Bill Gilbert and a3disc kicked you out of Lakeshore. Lakeshore did.

I'm still learning about how to get approval for events there, so I can't actually lay out a process, but here are some things I have learned. Don't take these for gospel, because I am still learning. I guess I'll find out if posts in here have a character limit ;-0

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Daemon, it is unfortunate that you could not hold your tournament at Lakeshore on Saturday, but to my knowledge it is not correct that Bill Gilbert and a3disc kicked you out of Lakeshore. Lakeshore did.

I'm still learning about how to get approval for events there, so I can't actually lay out a process, but here are some things I have learned. Don't take these for gospel, because I am still learning. I guess I'll find out if posts in here have a character limit ;-0

* Before the current management took over, they had some serious, very serious problems there with drug apartments, pitbull fighting, etc., and 100+ 911 calls a month. The current management evicted or declined to renew leases for something like 70 percent of the people who had been living there and instituted the security situation you see there now. So they are very serious about controlling access as much as they can.

* Even residents who are going to have a party above a certain size have to provide a guest list to security and obtain permission from management.

* The agreement with a3disc is that it has veto over events there, but that veto absolutely did not apply in this instance. It is simply not true that a3disc or Bill Gilbert had anything to do with the tournament not being allowed. I know that Bill did not want it to be held there, on that date, but nothing I have learned tells me that he communicated that to Kat in any way.

* The management insists that any event go through them for approval. We got formal approval to hold the Monday night glo league, for example. We didn't just go ahead and decide to do it.

* If an event is disc golf course related, management will also check with a3disc (as noted above) and with The Throw Shop - not because The Throw Shop has a veto, we don't - but to try to work out that the whole thing is in some way advantageous to us, or at least not detrimental. As I told you, I don't think a tournament like yours hurts The Throw Shop at all and wish that you had been able to have it there.

* Typically, when there is a large event held on the premisses, one of the things they ask the event management to do is make some sort of contribution to charity; in the case of disc golf events I think they'll be fine with donations to the basket fund for the next course, The Woods at Lakeshore. The man who runs the complex, Mike O'Lynnger, is really big on community events and contributions from the events to charity.

I'm sure there's more, but I *am* at the day job, after all. Ciao.

Terry Calhoun    September 4, 2009 at 1:02am

Yeah, Peter, those relationships are deadly important. I've probably spent more time talking nice to planners, administrators, property owners, park rangers over the last several years than out in the field doing course design. You just can't appear to get in the face of the folks who own or manage the courses, 'cause they can just shut you down. Unfortunately, what matters most is their perception - because it's their reality, and it's what they'll make decisions based on.

peter kunoff    September 4, 2009 at 12:32am

unfortunate the way this went down.. thanks for some clarification Terry....I am not sure how a small, unsanctioned event such as LLB open v1.2 taxes the lakeshore apts resources more than any other busy discing saturday...

However, we need to be sure we (disc golfers) maintain a good relationship with management....

Terry Calhoun    September 4, 2009 at 12:04am

Daemon, it is unfortunate that you could not hold your tournament at Lakeshore on Saturday, but to my knowledge it is not correct that Bill Gilbert and a3disc kicked you out of Lakeshore. Lakeshore did.

I'm still learning about how to get approval for events there, so I can't actually lay out a process, but here are some things I have learned. Don't take these for gospel, because I am still learning. I guess I'll find out if posts in here have a character limit ;-0

* ... more

Daemon, it is unfortunate that you could not hold your tournament at Lakeshore on Saturday, but to my knowledge it is not correct that Bill Gilbert and a3disc kicked you out of Lakeshore. Lakeshore did.

I'm still learning about how to get approval for events there, so I can't actually lay out a process, but here are some things I have learned. Don't take these for gospel, because I am still learning. I guess I'll find out if posts in here have a character limit ;-0

* Before the current management took over, they had some serious, very serious problems there with drug apartments, pitbull fighting, etc., and 100+ 911 calls a month. The current management evicted or declined to renew leases for something like 70 percent of the people who had been living there and instituted the security situation you see there now. So they are very serious about controlling access as much as they can.

* Even residents who are going to have a party above a certain size have to provide a guest list to security and obtain permission from management.

* The agreement with a3disc is that it has veto over events there, but that veto absolutely did not apply in this instance. It is simply not true that a3disc or Bill Gilbert had anything to do with the tournament not being allowed. I know that Bill did not want it to be held there, on that date, but nothing I have learned tells me that he communicated that to Kat in any way.

* The management insists that any event go through them for approval. We got formal approval to hold the Monday night glo league, for example. We didn't just go ahead and decide to do it.

* If an event is disc golf course related, management will also check with a3disc (as noted above) and with The Throw Shop - not because The Throw Shop has a veto, we don't - but to try to work out that the whole thing is in some way advantageous to us, or at least not detrimental. As I told you, I don't think a tournament like yours hurts The Throw Shop at all and wish that you had been able to have it there.

* Typically, when there is a large event held on the premisses, one of the things they ask the event management to do is make some sort of contribution to charity; in the case of disc golf events I think they'll be fine with donations to the basket fund for the next course, The Woods at Lakeshore. The man who runs the complex, Mike O'Lynnger, is really big on community events and contributions from the events to charity.

I'm sure there's more, but I *am* at the day job, after all. Ciao.

Daemon Stahlin    September 3, 2009 at 5:22pm

that wasn't a joke

Daemon Stahlin    August 30, 2009 at 8:00pm

Kevin, I think you are mistaken. From recent PMs from William Gilbert-

"If you are going to organize anything there you need to do it elsewhere until you are approved in advance by A3"

"the Calhouns to not have decision making powers at lakeshore. We the board of A3Disc do. "

"all tournament or events of any kind must go through A3 first. "


These statements all directly contradict what Kat told me yesterday. There seems to be some sort of communication issue, which because William is involved, is not a surprise to me. He is a very poor communicator.

Kevin Williamson    August 30, 2009 at 7:08pm

Lakeshore has always been a private course. Its owned by the apartment complex, its not a public park. And because of the past events that were run there, that disregarded rules, the complex is now overseeing any events. As I understand it, A3 has only become the enforcer for what the complex wants.

If you want to run an event at Lakeshore you have to coordinate it with Kat Dickenson.
She has all her contact info on the discgolfersrus website.

http://www.discgolfersr.us/forum/topics/how-do-you-reserve-a-date-the

bob smart    August 29, 2009 at 12:31pm

kenny powers aint got **** ****!!!!!!!!!1

Amateur Hour    August 29, 2009 at 12:43am

kenny powers is in...

Tom Jones    August 28, 2009 at 10:09pm

oh man!!! Tomorrow I will be retiring the challengers. Nothing but aviars from now on. Donating to the pond or to marcos. That boy can shoot fosho!

Douglas McIntosh    August 28, 2009 at 9:56pm

can you add me to am2 with lunch 35628

Aaron Birdsall    August 28, 2009 at 9:30pm

count me in u can call me da hawkfor open no lunch pdga#30777

Scott Ransley    August 28, 2009 at 8:13pm

Windy tomorrow! Should be fun.

Luke Palnau    August 28, 2009 at 6:41am

am2 w/lunch please (39079)
Thank you

bob smart    August 24, 2009 at 6:23am

reg me as bob smart lake shore champion ****!