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The new mando rule states that if you cross the mando plane at all then you have missed it. It does ... show more ›

The new mando rule states that if you cross the mando plane at all then you have missed it. It does not say that if you hit the mando directly (but dont go past it) then you have missed the mando. Simply hitting the mando to miss it would mean that a shot up the gut that kisses the mando pole would be considered OB. That seems wrong to me.

Right. The way the wording of the rule has changed, it is now dependent on where the course declare ... show more ›

Right. The way the wording of the rule has changed, it is now dependent on where the course declared the "restricted area" to be. If the restricted area is marked at the barrier, then hitting the barrier constitutes missing the mando. However, the lines don't have to be drawn that way, the restricted area could be the outside of the barrier instead and then hitting the barrier is not a missed mando, or it can be in back of the barrier instead of in front of it. However it is played, it should be discussed in depth before being played.

The new rule change calls for restricted space to begin at the very edge of the mando and carry dire ... show more ›

The new rule change calls for restricted space to begin at the very edge of the mando and carry directly lateral and up from the plane. This makes crossing that plane in any direction OB. It makes you funnel your shot directly through the mando. If you kiss off the mando cage even in the slightest, you have touched the restricted space and therefore are OB. This adaption to the rule will be talked about all year, and personally I believe it will be back in the rules committee next year and tweaked again. I have a good article explaining the way the rule has changed on the tournament website: https://mesmerizeatkelleypark.weebly.com/2022-layout-per-round.html

Nothing in the rules says you must make the front of the structure the mando. You may want to just d ... show more ›

Nothing in the rules says you must make the front of the structure the mando. You may want to just do what Isaiah suggested and declare that the back side of the physical structure is where the restricted area begins. That allows for shots hitting the mando not to be ruled as a miss as there is no way it passed the restricted space(other than breaking through the mando).

… rule can be interpreted in the most obvious and intuitive manner. In fact, this definition is ex ... show more ›

… rule can be interpreted in the most obvious and intuitive manner. In fact, this definition is exactly as pictured in the referenced Udisc article explaining the rule… see the graphic with the legos. The blue restricted space begins OUTBOARD of the mando object, and the diagram makes it clear that hitting the mando object without touching the blue restricted space does not incur a penalty. And in case that’s not already clear enough, it’s within the power of the TD to declare it so. Simply state that glancing off the mando structure on the way through it in the intended direction is safe.

Here is the language I interpret the ruling from, "It does not matter where the disc comes to rest. ... show more ›

Here is the language I interpret the ruling from, "It does not matter where the disc comes to rest. If you touch the restricted space but then kick back out of it, you’ve still missed the mando. This can all be summed up in a simple statement: If your disc ever touches the restricted space – just the tiniest part of your disc is enough – at any time, you’ve missed the mando." The restricted space begins at the instant edge of the mando window. Making the cage restricted space. Under the new wording, to glance off the cage or hit the cage and bounce back now mean you have touched the restricted space.

Right, but you get to define the restricted space! The restricted space can be to the OUTSIDE edges ... show more ›

Right, but you get to define the restricted space! The restricted space can be to the OUTSIDE edges of the barrier if you want it to be. Or, the restricted space can be BEHIND the barrier, not in front of it. The hole only plays where hitting the barrier is a missed mando if YOU decide to set it up that way, you have a choice to mark or define the restricted area so that the hole plays how you intend it to be played.

It's going to be difficult for cards to make rulings when discs barely touch the restricted space, b ... show more ›

It's going to be difficult for cards to make rulings when discs barely touch the restricted space, but does not effect the flight path. Quite a severe punishment for a disc to have made it through the triple mando, but to have "touch the restricted space - just the tiniest part" and proceed to the drop zone. I believe Derek's suggestion would be more fair and consistently enforced. That said, I support whatever the TD's decision.

The TD gets to define the restricted space however they choose. The physical structure itself is not ... show more ›

The TD gets to define the restricted space however they choose. The physical structure itself is not the definition, the TD is the only one who decides what areas are restricted and not. The only thing the PDGA rule mandates is that if the disc touches the restricted space that the TD defined, it counts as a miss. The decision on where the space is defined is fully determined by the TD. As the others have mentioned, if you want the mando to play as intended, you could define the back side of the structure as the restricted space and thus all discs not traveling through the intended zone will count as missing the mando. That would also eliminate the possibility of a disc breaking through the structure