MICPS Summer 2010 Grand Finale
Doubles tournament · Sat, Oct 16, 2010Oct 2010 · Whitmore Lake, MI
I should also say that when I post in any Talk are I am posting my personal views like anyone else and not necessarily the views of the Disc Golf League Association, DGLA or the Point Series. All pos ...
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I should also say that when I post in any Talk are I am posting my personal views like anyone else and not necessarily the views of the Disc Golf League Association, DGLA or the Point Series. All posts help everyone see different views and get exposed to different ideas. In the League Coordinator Cooperation Group we discuss matters related to those who selflessly donate their time to make this PS and leagues in general a reality to all the league players and all this goes to the DGLA board for final direction. Scott does a great job representing the Tournament players as well as league players and coordinators. Pete helps us with how DGS can help and continue to improve on all this. Here I'm just one of the 777 current members of the PS who cares to express my views so others can agree, or provide other insights and new cool ideas to help us all find a way to put smiles on everyone's face.
I saw Justin Roggero post earlier - "the whole driving across the state for a doubles round sounds ludicrous" - but this happened this summer for just double points and for just regular points. It happened even before the point series but I think the stats will show that it happened a bit more with just a little incentive. The idea to get a bunch of players to do this at one time and one place has more challenges but if the motivation was high enough it would happen. You mention this is not the State Championship - well there really is not much difference and with a few improvements this is more like a true state championship as players competed all session long and then come together and compete head to head. From my perspective it's better as it offers more - if you like the competition you have it and if you like the league aspects of less pressure and more fun in a more casual environment than many more can achieve this.
The question is what is the motivation - and we see that many have different views of what that is - we just need to improve on all these aspects - for the ones who focus on competition - fairer completion - Large leagues versus small and different formats. For those who like the "Blast" casual aspects - a big enough incentive to make the drive, and commitment of time and money. An event can have 4-8 times more in this category and a $1 from each of these players really makes they payouts more attractive to the ones focused on the payouts or competition.
So I am very interested in what would make "You" ( all involved or interested in getting involved in a PS) travel and participate? What does an event have to have to make it worth wild for you? If we want most of the 777 we need to know what everyone desires and look to try get all of those ideas into one system to maximize the turn out.
Maybe many are not interested in being a part of a giant Disc Golf outing. States gives us some example of what it is like but Worlds is even a better example of what could be done. When there are hundreds of people gathered together all focused on Disc Golf it is an amazing time. I recall hundred at the Final day at Worlds 2008 all at the ski slope where the event was going on. A huge crowd down by the lodge and many groups following specific groups of players. Some people sitting on the hill side just hanging out and watching while others played. It was an amazing feeling just to be a part of the whole event - That is my view and as someone who has struggled to try and meet the payout desires of the competitive players and try dealing with sponsorship there is a big advantage in achieving that large crowd. Otherwise we are just redistributing the money from those 70-80% of the players to the 10-30% and that does not seem to make anyone happy.
The East / West smack is going to continue with a few - many are competitive or they just love smack - we need to learn how to harness that as well as keep it within acceptable limits.
Also Justin - My biggest personal failure this summer was that I did not make it to Whithall to play a league round there. I had a dream of playing every HLW as a way of getting to more Michigan courses and to see first hand how leagues ran at these courses. Life happened and I fell short but based on the discussions early on (East/West) I had said to myself that I wanted to at least get to Whitehall for a league round sometime this summer -Failed. But I did manage to get to several new leagues and courses and it was the HLW that helped motivate me and give some direction to my planning of when and where within limits of my life ;-)
Hope to get to Whithall soon and thanks for your input.
Sep 30, 2010
I saw Justin Roggero post earlier - "the whole driving across the state for a doubles round sounds ludicrous" - but this happened this summer for just double points and for just regular points. It happened even before the point series but I think the stats will show that it happened a bit more with just a little incentive. The idea to get a bunch of players to do this at one time and one place has more challenges but if the motivation was high enough it would happen. You mention this is not the State Championship - well there really is not much difference and with a few improvements this is more like a true state championship as players competed all session long and then come together and compete head to head. From my perspective it's better as it offers more - if you like the competition you have it and if you like the league aspects of less pressure and more fun in a more casual environment than many more can achieve this.
The question is what is the motivation - and we see that many have different views of what that is - we just need to improve on all these aspects - for the ones who focus on competition - fairer completion - Large leagues versus small and different formats. For those who like the "Blast" casual aspects - a big enough incentive to make the drive, and commitment of time and money. An event can have 4-8 times more in this category and a $1 from each of these players really makes they payouts more attractive to the ones focused on the payouts or competition.
So I am very interested in what would make "You" ( all involved or interested in getting involved in a PS) travel and participate? What does an event have to have to make it worth wild for you? If we want most of the 777 we need to know what everyone desires and look to try get all of those ideas into one system to maximize the turn out.
Maybe many are not interested in being a part of a giant Disc Golf outing. States gives us some example of what it is like but Worlds is even a better example of what could be done. When there are hundreds of people gathered together all focused on Disc Golf it is an amazing time. I recall hundred at the Final day at Worlds 2008 all at the ski slope where the event was going on. A huge crowd down by the lodge and many groups following specific groups of players. Some people sitting on the hill side just hanging out and watching while others played. It was an amazing feeling just to be a part of the whole event - That is my view and as someone who has struggled to try and meet the payout desires of the competitive players and try dealing with sponsorship there is a big advantage in achieving that large crowd. Otherwise we are just redistributing the money from those 70-80% of the players to the 10-30% and that does not seem to make anyone happy.
The East / West smack is going to continue with a few - many are competitive or they just love smack - we need to learn how to harness that as well as keep it within acceptable limits.
Also Justin - My biggest personal failure this summer was that I did not make it to Whithall to play a league round there. I had a dream of playing every HLW as a way of getting to more Michigan courses and to see first hand how leagues ran at these courses. Life happened and I fell short but based on the discussions early on (East/West) I had said to myself that I wanted to at least get to Whitehall for a league round sometime this summer -Failed. But I did manage to get to several new leagues and courses and it was the HLW that helped motivate me and give some direction to my planning of when and where within limits of my life ;-)
Hope to get to Whithall soon and thanks for your input.