Mike "Papa Par" Even November 15, 2010 at 10:59am
If I didn't have to work all week, I would be playing the new pins :) Will have to wait for the weekend I reckon
Scott White November 15, 2010 at 10:33am
***PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT***
When playing the Picnic Course please be aware that this is SHARED USE AREA. If you encounter other park users on some of the holes please inform them kindly what you are doing, and ask them nicely to let you throw. SKIP THE HOLE if necessary and come back to it later. Other option is to "send a blocker" to deflect shots from hitting other park users. PLEASE TREAT THE OTHER NON-DISC GOLF PARK USERS WITH RESPECT AND CARE. It is a privilege to even have this course and if we screw up then the course could be gone forever.
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Matt "The Spider" Swider November 15, 2010 at 8:33am
I only know that when they ripped it out after the tourney last month, they did it at 9am. So hopefully, we should be playing by 11 or 12.
Matt "The Spider" Swider November 14, 2010 at 9:48pm
Picnic course should be in tomorrow. I can't wait.
Mike "Papa Par" Even November 13, 2010 at 11:34am
When I originally went & played the Red Tee's earlier this week, my caddy was being a bit of a grump so I had to cut it short. But I came back out Han Solo this morning to review this course Proppa. The Red Tee's @ Chuck D offer a nice challenge for the newer player or for someone that is a first timer at Indy. Most the holes are a blow out for the seasoned player, but IMO still offer a decent challenge on a number of holes for us. I like a number of the tees and how they a ... more
When I originally went & played the Red Tee's earlier this week, my caddy was being a bit of a grump so I had to cut it short. But I came back out Han Solo this morning to review this course Proppa.
The Red Tee's @ Chuck D offer a nice challenge for the newer player or for someone that is a first timer at Indy. Most the holes are a blow out for the seasoned player, but IMO still offer a decent challenge on a number of holes for us. I like a number of the tees and how they are positioned. Hole 3 is near the old White tee, so it's a good distance from the pin. Same goes for Hole 5, and with a section of trees scattered in the middle, you still have to play smart. Hole 6 is probably my least favorite positioned tee. Pretty much an easy deuce, even for the noob. Hole 10 has always been a good hole and off setting to the left of the White tee, continues to offer that challenge shot. I like hole Hole 11 was up, but it was maybe a little too close. I also liked how Hole 17 was tucked into the woods, making you throw straight to come out. All and all a good time, no matter what level of player you are. This is a great way to warm up if you are a seasoned player, getting you nice & loose for either the white or blacks. Cheers
Mike "Papa Par" Even November 10, 2010 at 10:16am
Will be out there later today with my caddy, we'll be reviewing the Reds.
Matt "The Spider" Swider November 9, 2010 at 9:17am
Anyone up for a round today? Say 11 or 12? Just for fun or as part of a review. Anyone?
Mike "Papa Par" Even November 9, 2010 at 9:06am
Heading out the review & play the Red's tomorrow afternoon (work is a little slow this week). Scott's review below though will be tough to match :) Dude nailed it perfectly.
Scott Ransley November 8, 2010 at 7:15pm
I played the reds for the first time on Sunday. If the goal was to appeal to beginners, I think they succeed. I was hoping they might offer a little different shot variety, so that maybe I would have the urge to play them occasionally as a change of pace. I am not sure that will happen. Not convinced they will get much use except by beginnners. I categorized the holes into groups as follows: Cat 1: Deuceable by all. Average players kick themselves if they don’t deuce it. Cat 2: Take ... more
I played the reds for the first time on Sunday. If the goal was to appeal to beginners, I think they succeed. I was hoping they might offer a little different shot variety, so that maybe I would have the urge to play them occasionally as a change of pace. I am not sure that will happen. Not convinced they will get much use except by beginnners.
I categorized the holes into groups as follows:
Cat 1: Deuceable by all. Average players kick themselves if they don’t deuce it.
Cat 2: Takes a good shot by a beginner to deuce. The average player expects to deuce it, but has an equal chance of a par.
Cat 3: Beginner is probably not going to deuce it. Takes a good shot for the average player to deuce it, but most of the time they will par.
I came up with two Cat 1, seven Cat 2, and ten Cat 3 holes, which I think is a pretty good spread for beginners, but maybe a little too easy for average players to bother with. Are you tied to keep the existing whites as the mid tees? There may be some opportunities to use the current white as the red tee, and come up with a new white.
Looking at the shot variations (from a RHBH perspective):
Six holes favor a hyzer, five an anny, and four straight. Two holes are about equally suited to a hyzer and a straight shot, and one favors a hyzer and an anny equally. Again, that is a pretty good mix.
1, 2, 5, 13
Least favorite holes:
9, 17, 18
Individual holes that could use some tweaking:
Hole 4: Tee is tucked in so far that it is not visible from the long tee. This is really just a pet peeve with me to get to a hole, and not be able to tell if there is a group waiting to tee off. This is the shortest hole out there, so I don’t think it would hurt to move it across the fairway.
Hole 6: Not sure you want the tee on the upslope of the hill. I would like to see it moved to flat ground and across the fairway to shoot over the rough near the (now dry) pond. There is plenty of room for people to throw around, instead of over if they want to.
Hole 9: Red tee was disappointing. It is basically a 215 straight shot with a low ceiling. I am biased, because I love the white/black tee on this hole, with all the shot possibilities. Why can’t this be the only hole with just one tee?
Hole 11: Impossible to see people here from the black or white tee. Like the short little anny shot though.
Hole 16: Too close to the rough behind the tee. Not visible from the black. Probably needs to be moved up, but I had a hard time picking a spot that doesn’t interfere with 13.
Hole 17: Again this tee is so far from the others and concealed, it is almost a different fairway. That would be fine if the shot was interesting, but again it is just a 210 foot low ceiling straight shot. You could just move it back onto the fairway, and maybe offset it to the left of the other tees.
Hole 18: You have three holes that require a hyzer through a tight gap between trees. #1 and #13 are great holes. #18 seems redundant. I would rather see a hole that requires an anny through a tight gap, instead of another hyzer.
http://www.discgolfscene.com/profile/5811 November 8, 2010 at 6:53pm
Has the Picnic Course been fully installed yet? I went there last weekend and only the back nine on the picnic side was installed. Thanks
Daniel J Lee November 8, 2010 at 6:40pm
didn't mean to say it was a potential par4 hole lol
Daniel J Lee November 8, 2010 at 6:38pm
I will reiterate this for you Jamie, meant to put it this way: "I'm sorry, but the new 16 white is impossibly duecable (for most people). Unless you get a miraculous/accidental roll over to the basket,this is a challenging par3, if not- BOGIE hole.
OKAY- IF you can throw a 500ft bomb, then it MIGHT be deucable."
It is a challenging par 3 because you have to have a good drive AND good up-shot. Easy 4 if you mess up either one.
Chris Jackson November 8, 2010 at 5:51pm
I liked the old 16 but the new one is fine, too. I've only played the new one from the whites. Having to throw past that single tree in the middle of the fairway adds a fair challenge to the hole. As a righty, you want to land a the crest of the hill and skip towards the basket, I imagine.
Personally, I think the course is a little easier than I remember it. Then again, I might be thinking of the original Loco IV layout.
Daniel J Lee November 8, 2010 at 5:26pm
i said for most people it is non-duecable you fatass. you are not most ppl.
Jim Daniels November 8, 2010 at 5:17pm
I do agree it adds more scoring differential and will definitely remain a tough hole if OB is put in. But that could add issues in tournaments as arguments ensue about entry point into the OB. Hole 13 at Lakeshore has the same issue, did it hit a tree inbounds and then go OB or not? I guess you could say any OB = re-tee, not sure how popular that would be.
Scott White November 8, 2010 at 5:09pm
By the way thanks for the thoughtful comments and let's keep em coming.
Jim Daniels November 8, 2010 at 5:04pm
Old hole 16 (long) was not a lefty deuce hole because the lefty hyzer had no chance of carrying all the way to the hole -- it was a fairly easy par 3 for a lefty. The hole could only be deuced by a very well thrown righty turnover. I don't hate the new hole just think the old hole was cooler. One problem with the new basket is that now drives from the middle tee can carry into 13's fairway.
Scott White November 8, 2010 at 5:00pm
Old 16 had a non-existent score variation from blacks. On a given tournament you would see 9 out f ten players take a ho-hum 3.
Jim the new white location was moved back to lower the chance of a drive carrying to 13s fairway, and to take more advantage or the huge fairway available there. We will have to look at score variation from the new white tee but I do like Marks idea of creating OB In the flat dry area that is a pond in the spring.