MICPS Summer 2010 Grand Finale

Joe Anttila    September 29, 2010 at 11:40pm

Ooh! Ooh! I have 2 cents! I'd like to suggest for next year that the pre-reg close after the last 'official' PS event:-) I've been pretty hyped about the Kensington HLW this Oct 3rd. Awesome that it creates incentive for the buddies to come to Kensington....BUT, now the Oct 3rd HLW really does not count; hope the out of town turn out is still strong.

Amateur Hour    September 29, 2010 at 6:20am

Props to the god father. Nicely done foz. Mike, your top spot is safe. Good luck all
KT

"Jacob Quiton    September 29, 2010 at 6:13am

@ Cory,I'm not sure what you are trying to get at.There are only 42 players because you westsiders didn't sing up,that's your(the westside)fault not ours.
This is hilarious,all these people crying only 42 people.Well guess what,the ones that are doing the crying are the ones to blame for only having a 42 person turnout.Had you singed up it would be 43 people and so on.It's common sense people.

Joe Arnet    September 29, 2010 at 2:35am

All of this just proves the best axiom ever; you just can't please everyone. of course us east siders are happy it's close to home, but it would be equally cool to have an excuse to get out that way. however logistically foz'll need help with that if anything like that were to happen right?

@dan, I respect you and value your opinion here man let's all calm down, this is about having fun, remember?

@corey, why didn't you sign up and come down to represent? I for one wished mightly for some west coasters to come out, what turned you off, if anything?

Corey Kieft    September 28, 2010 at 9:17pm

42 people in the final? Why don't you just call this the Eastside Championships?

Daniel J Lee    September 28, 2010 at 8:12pm

This will be my last post on the subject, for everything has been put out there, discussion should be closed on this. You guys talk like we don't appreciate what Foz is doing here. I have nothing but respect for Foz and Mike and Mark and have said nothing but good things about any of them. Let the people speak. Without other peoples' input, improvements would be seldom made. Don't call us rude for speaking up. That in itself is disrespect.

Foz Miller    September 28, 2010 at 8:04pm

Those Orange beauties you won and made available for this awesome course. I can't wait to rattle those chains myself. Made me have to go back and take a look. It reminded me of how beautiful that course is and even more so in Mid Oct:

http://www.discgolfscene.com/profile/1064/pictures/album_1549/23893#23893

peter kunoff    September 28, 2010 at 7:21pm

amen, Foz! excellent work this season. I really appreciate your efforts despite not making it to leagues enough....Plan on spectating on saturday and Striking on sunday. Can't wait to see those orange beauties you helped me win in 2008!!!

Joe Gabris    September 28, 2010 at 6:17pm

Wow! Good discussion, but for what it is worth I support Foz and ANY decision he makes regarding HIS brainchild. He has done a lot of work with this thing, and has made all of the info regarding the event very accessible not to mention posting daily reminders every day for a week previous to the cutoff date. Not sure but asking someone to change a well placed schedule for the simple reason of peoples procrastionation, laziness, or indecisivness seems nothing but ****ing rude to me. If ya wanna h ... more

Wow! Good discussion, but for what it is worth I support Foz and ANY decision he makes regarding HIS brainchild. He has done a lot of work with this thing, and has made all of the info regarding the event very accessible not to mention posting daily reminders every day for a week previous to the cutoff date. Not sure but asking someone to change a well placed schedule for the simple reason of peoples procrastionation, laziness, or indecisivness seems nothing but ****ing rude to me. If ya wanna help I'm sure that Foz could use it, but that seems to me like selfish greed to ask someone to change their plans to accomidate procrastinators. I might be wrong, I think it's happened before. I agree with both Mike and Mark's posts. Thanks again for all of your hard work Foz.

Jeff Kaluk    September 28, 2010 at 3:47pm

Nicely stated both Mark and Foz. Thank you Foz, Scott and Pete for all you hard work and efforts.

Foz Miller    September 28, 2010 at 9:14am

Wow! Glad to see the interest, passion and as always to hear from everyone on how things could be done. We would have loved to have had all 772 current players in the Grand Finale to celebrate the season. We discussed the plans online from the beginning, we said there would be pre-paid reg and a deadline. We provided an annoying amount of posts with the details and reminders. Many league coordinators help spread the word for those to busy to make it online or read emails. A state wide event ... more

Wow! Glad to see the interest, passion and as always to hear from everyone on how things could be done. We would have loved to have had all 772 current players in the Grand Finale to celebrate the season. We discussed the plans online from the beginning, we said there would be pre-paid reg and a deadline. We provided an annoying amount of posts with the details and reminders. Many league coordinators help spread the word for those to busy to make it online or read emails. A state wide event could have a great potential for mega players, mega fun and for those who care, mega payouts. Oh yeah - Mega work

This has been an amazing summer for playing Mi Disc Golf leagues with a little something extra and a taste of what could be. What has been achieved has been through a cooperative effort of all involved. We plan to continue with our method of discussing with the league coordinators, who make it all possible, week after week, and the many suggestions of the players from seasoned pros to those who just started playing leagues yesterday. You just never know where the next big idea will come from. We will continue to collectively define how to enhance leagues and the point series - Which are not tournaments and their not casual play - we believe they are the most important thing to growing the sport, to show more people what the sport is all about, bring the experienced and new players together to learn, to share and most of all to have fun.

On many of the issues there is no right or wrong answer but there are many players with different views which has the potential for many to be dissatisfied. What can be done is to put together the best plan at the time through cooperative discussions, execute that plan and learn from that experience to improve on the next go round. Those who participate in that process have a bigger influence in each iterative outcome.

As long as their are players who want to grow the league experience cooperatively the Disc Golf League Association will be here to help facilitate that and to grow and explore to potential of Disc Golf leagues. We are commitment to Listening to all the players, Planing with those who care to be involved and Executing that plan for the enjoyment of those who want to cooperatively grow Disc Golf leagues.

We do welcome spectators at the Grand Finale. Now if you did not mange to get registered for what ever reason and want to be a part of the celebration Scott has solicited for those interested in a side game at Indy at the same time as the final round and you could catch the Final 9 and celebrate the wrap up of this amazing summer season. We know many could not get off work, life is crazy busy, travel is tough and the economy - man don't get me started - but everyone is welcome to come on out and be a part of this celebration.

Well the season is not over yet. There is still more fun to be had. We hope everyone's league experience was just a little more exciting this summer. That everyone had a little extra reason to play one more round, travel to at least one new course, try one new league, razz your friends just a little bit more and enjoy the rounds with new and old friends just a little bit, more. If you are on the leader board you made it happen, you are a part of Michigan Disc Golf history.
Congratulations! What a season!!

We look forward to the suggestions and feedback as always. We can look forward to even bigger and better Summer 2011 point series for those fair weather players and for those Michigan Die Hard Disc'ers we will be gearing up for the Winter leagues - N--ice

mark ellis    September 28, 2010 at 7:15am

Well nothing creates interest like controversy and interest is good.

It is fair to say that the MICPS was a great idea and through the work of FOZ (the most holy father) and the league directors it was a huge success. So congrats are in order. I hope it continues for next year and evolves to lure more players into the benefits of league play.

I agree with Mike Raley that the folks who do the work to make tournaments (and cooperative league series) happen deserve great respect and latitud ... more

Well nothing creates interest like controversy and interest is good.

It is fair to say that the MICPS was a great idea and through the work of FOZ (the most holy father) and the league directors it was a huge success. So congrats are in order. I hope it continues for next year and evolves to lure more players into the benefits of league play.

I agree with Mike Raley that the folks who do the work to make tournaments (and cooperative league series) happen deserve great respect and latitude. In volunteer (unpaid) organizations, those who do the work get the power to make the decisions. It is the way that it is and the way that it should be. The best way to influence those decisions is pitch in and help out. The rest of us just heckle from the sidelines.

I also recognize that a Finale to the league series has the potential to draw in many players from around the state and bring together, for one day, some of the many players who made the series the success it became. Some players from outlaying areas ( far away from Ann Arbor) have no idea how good the points leader is (Mike Raley) and would be surprised and perhaps inspired to meet up with him face to face (and perhaps learn a few things, which I continue to learn 17 years after he started kicking my butt).

So the Finale has the chance to bring the series and the people who played it together. We know that the current registration list is basically a bunch of good players from southeast Michigan, not really much different than an average group which might be found any given league day. Given the brilliance of original idea for the MICPS, it is hoped that a Finale can eventually be created which draws the state together.

We know that in the tournament scene the State Finals at Ludington is a huge success. We had about 350 players attend one event this past Labor Day. Potentially a league Finale could rise to this scale.

Amateur Hour    September 28, 2010 at 4:52am

don't worry about raley, dan. he gets pretty heated sometimes. how about this, I screwed up and so did many others. we want to play now, if we can't so be it. adding more players seems like a good idea, and for disc golf tournaments it isn't some crazy idea that someone should lose respect for the td (mike)if more players were added. if the powers that be (foz) see it different, so be it. foz works hard as i've seen over the past few years. it is a thankless job. 90% of commu ... more

don't worry about raley, dan. he gets pretty heated sometimes. how about this, I screwed up and so did many others. we want to play now, if we can't so be it. adding more players seems like a good idea, and for disc golf tournaments it isn't some crazy idea that someone should lose respect for the td (mike)if more players were added. if the powers that be (foz) see it different, so be it. foz works hard as i've seen over the past few years. it is a thankless job. 90% of communication from players is a complaint of some sort. but raising more loot for you to play for in the final 9 (mike) should be something you are on board with. hope to see you guys out there.
KT

Joe Arnet    September 28, 2010 at 4:27am

mike has got a point, you gotta look at it from an certain standpoint, foz and the boys needed hard #'s so they could run the type of gig they wanted. so thusly it was planned. Do we want more players? Sure, who doesn't. The fact is this event was a pay first thing, everyone knew for weeks. In the end you just can't please everyone.. and I'll always side for the peeps that run it because talk is cheap, the work involved in these things sure isn't.

Perhaps we can get m ... more

mike has got a point, you gotta look at it from an certain standpoint, foz and the boys needed hard #'s so they could run the type of gig they wanted. so thusly it was planned. Do we want more players? Sure, who doesn't. The fact is this event was a pay first thing, everyone knew for weeks. In the end you just can't please everyone.. and I'll always side for the peeps that run it because talk is cheap, the work involved in these things sure isn't.

Perhaps we can get more input next year, hell maybe even a two tier/field system. Either way more input is always great, let's just keep it constructive.

Daniel J Lee    September 28, 2010 at 3:30am

Well dude, it's just a fact that more players would play. Why wouldn't you want more players? It's supposed to be a last hoo-rah for the summer of leagues right? There are a lot of other players that want in on the fun for that day of playing.

I was actually trying to say I was done talking with you on the subject, and just generally not wanting to argue with you Mike Raley, because that would be a dumb thing to do. Miscommunication I guess. But thanks for belittling me. That makes me feel great about this disc golf community now.”

Daniel J Lee    September 28, 2010 at 2:10am

I'm not trying to argue with you Mike Raley. All I'm trying to say is A LOT more people could have signed up had there not been a deadline. Sorry I used my right as an American born citizen to Freedom of Speech.

Daniel J Lee    September 28, 2010 at 1:31am

There is nothing wrong with sharing our opinions. We just think that for an event that is here to finalize the Michigan Cooperative Point Series for the Summer of 2010, 42 players out of 770 just doesn't seem to add up right.

Amateur Hour    September 28, 2010 at 12:21am

I stangely agree with ben. I don't mind not getting a players pack. Whatever you guys decide but I think its a waste to only have 42 people at this event. I had enough time to sign up, true. But with such a weak prereg some people try to plan their weekends accordingly. And I've talked to many people who want to play and now can't. Open it up.
KT

Robert Shaffer    September 27, 2010 at 11:44pm

I personally think everyone had enough notice and like the way scott and foz have went about this

Ben Calhoun    September 27, 2010 at 11:33pm

I agree with letting people in late, at this point, with the low turnout it hardly seems worth taking a day off work (automatic 200$) to do this. If it came to a vote- I'd vote let people in (maybe with no player's pack same fee).