The Discraft Michigan State Championship

Zachary Vaughn    September 8, 2012 at 9:13am

Keep up the good work, keep it in Ludington. For every 1 person complaining, there are 20 or more satisfied people with no comments.

Adam Geise    September 8, 2012 at 8:36am

I am with Moote. Learn to use the PM feature.

Jake Wood    September 8, 2012 at 6:16am

I am am also preparing my own Google Doc Manifesto that will be available by the next PDGA Update.

ken "sega salt" moote    September 8, 2012 at 6:00am

all thissss nonsense has no place on this board

chad reneau    September 8, 2012 at 5:55am

Ya iam am2 a sand bager just like the rest

Andy Bawol    September 8, 2012 at 5:48am

I think chad only wants one teepad as Scottville and one big teepad at beauty. I can't be sure though as reading that completly would require the rosetta stone.

Tyler Sherman    September 8, 2012 at 5:02am

Lmao I don't think he meant that Innova sponsors him just that Innova > Discraft lol I have to agree with him there. Unfortunately no matter where states is held, people are always going to ****. Either its too far away or "we never play these courses" Or the teepads are too short, or we play the ****ty layouts yada yada yada. Just enjoy the fellowship with friends, awesome golf venues, scenic views, miles of beaches, phenominal players party, and top notch service that Jeff, T ... more

Lmao I don't think he meant that Innova sponsors him just that Innova > Discraft lol I have to agree with him there. Unfortunately no matter where states is held, people are always going to ****. Either its too far away or "we never play these courses" Or the teepads are too short, or we play the ****ty layouts yada yada yada. Just enjoy the fellowship with friends, awesome golf venues, scenic views, miles of beaches, phenominal players party, and top notch service that Jeff, Todd, Kieth, Bill and crew run every year. This was my first year I did horrible and couldn't have been happier (barring the obvious lol)! Keep up the good work!

"Jacob Quiton    September 8, 2012 at 3:53am

When did Innova start sponsoring Am 2's? I'm just wondering

"Jacob Quiton    September 8, 2012 at 3:31am

Um salt

Bill Wieske    September 7, 2012 at 6:07pm

Sure it's a competitive event but it's still a fun weekend away for most people. Take it from Ludington and you lose a big part of states. I take the competition very serious but it's still a cool weekend you might not experience the sqme way if it were somewhere else. And of course Ludington isn't the only vacation spot(it's not even my favorite spot) but it is the best vacation town that can support a disc golf event of this magnitude I would think.

Lance Bayliss    September 7, 2012 at 5:44pm

I agree with u bill 100% States should never be moved, Ludington is where it belongs and Jeff and Keith and gipe and bill etc. do great work for us up there time in and time out. Patrick a lot of the stuff you say is just dumb and you should hold back on a few opinions....and that's my opinion.

Patrick Fulkerson    September 7, 2012 at 5:23pm

@Bill
I'm not sure that is what "most people" think states is all about, but if it is that is great. I enjoy the "vacation" part of it as well but when you break it down its a competition and should be treated as such. how it affects peoples "family vacations" in the large scale of things should be one of the last things considered. I know that's a bit harsh but it is how I see it. Schwass has the AJ open/Flip open on the same weekend back to back.. S ... more

@Bill
I'm not sure that is what "most people" think states is all about, but if it is that is great. I enjoy the "vacation" part of it as well but when you break it down its a competition and should be treated as such. how it affects peoples "family vacations" in the large scale of things should be one of the last things considered. I know that's a bit harsh but it is how I see it. Schwass has the AJ open/Flip open on the same weekend back to back.. So there is that weekend to have the same type of weekend. So the opportunity to play that area is always available. Though I understand that Labor day weekend is easier to get time off of work generally etc and is very convenient. Again I never said States Should move or has to move, I was just curious as to why it never does, and to say Ludington is the only vacation destination in the state is doing Michigan an injustice.

Bill Wieske    September 7, 2012 at 1:53pm

and to answer todds questions...i had an awesome time, and surely got my value out of the event. payouts were great, i played one terrible round and still walked out of there with as much plastic as i have when ive won a tourney. some great plastic to choose from as well. only complaint about payouts is the line but it was a chance to talk with a few people while waiting in line. not really sure how to correct the line issue anyways. in regards to the player party, i was unable to attend and i r ... more

and to answer todds questions...i had an awesome time, and surely got my value out of the event. payouts were great, i played one terrible round and still walked out of there with as much plastic as i have when ive won a tourney. some great plastic to choose from as well. only complaint about payouts is the line but it was a chance to talk with a few people while waiting in line. not really sure how to correct the line issue anyways. in regards to the player party, i was unable to attend and i regret that. my buddy had to work monday morning and we had a 3.5 hour drive so had to hit the road. i plan to be there next year though!

Bill Wieske    September 7, 2012 at 1:42pm

patrick, im not sure you get what states is all about for most people. ludington is destination type disc golf, its a coastal vacation town that people seek out and a town that offers plenty of lodging at various prices. for many people this is the only time of year they get to play these fantastic courses. sure there are great courses in the detroit/ann arbor area but most people get to play those all the time and out of towners might not want to deal with hookers knocking on their motel door. ... more

patrick, im not sure you get what states is all about for most people. ludington is destination type disc golf, its a coastal vacation town that people seek out and a town that offers plenty of lodging at various prices. for many people this is the only time of year they get to play these fantastic courses. sure there are great courses in the detroit/ann arbor area but most people get to play those all the time and out of towners might not want to deal with hookers knocking on their motel door. lansing has the awesome burchfield courses but aside from that theres nothing special. the grand rapids area has some nice courses but i wouldnt really call the area special like ludington. traverse city is the only other town, really only has the 3 courses but is a cool town. ludington is just perfect for the event, it has the capacity to support 400 disc golfers for both playing and lodging. camping with your buddies in northern michigan, playing some of the best courses in the state with occasional views overlooking lake michigan, and enjoying some great competition. maybe im on my own here but i get a different feeling when i pull into mason county park or onto bills property at flip than i do when i pull into hudson mills or anywhere else for that matter. as soon as i leave ludington i want to go back and i cant possibly imagine a reason to move it. not to mention i think a lot of the work goes into these courses just for states and many of the people who run the tourney are from the area, someone correct me if im wrong on that one.

Keith Aten    September 7, 2012 at 8:23am

NO NAME CALLING ALLOWED ! Feelings and thoughts welcome but do not attach anyone. We all love this game and have many different views.

Patrick Fulkerson    September 7, 2012 at 6:31am

@Bill Wieske
I humbly disagree, minus the Jbird/vendor thing. I was pretty comfortable with my opinions. I have a understanding of what goes into course maintaining, Club running ETC. I have tons of respect and admiration for those capable of doing such. As I have told many TD's and Club organizers this. I personally do not run things on this grand of a scale, but I do help run things in my local area.

I also never said states NEEDs to move, I was just curious as to why it nev ... more

@Bill Wieske
I humbly disagree, minus the Jbird/vendor thing. I was pretty comfortable with my opinions. I have a understanding of what goes into course maintaining, Club running ETC. I have tons of respect and admiration for those capable of doing such. As I have told many TD's and Club organizers this. I personally do not run things on this grand of a scale, but I do help run things in my local area.

I also never said states NEEDs to move, I was just curious as to why it never does. As far as your questions as to where else could it be done. Well I feel there are courses with in comfortable driving area like Ludington has it in the Detroit area, As well as With all the new additions that have been popping up in Lansing I think Lansing could support a year as well, These are just the ones that pop in my head. Again, I never said it has to move or should be moved, I was curious why it doesn't is all.

@Todd White
Thanks a bunch for that info. I made sure to bookmark it, and will do my best to try and make some meetings.
and I agree with your closing arguments, and I believe it was a successful championships! Though I did not take advantage of the Schwass party, as my family came up to start our family vacation that night, They did enjoy the fireworks from our campsite miles away though. My kids thank you for that!

Roger F. Brundage    September 7, 2012 at 5:21am

The whole week-end was a great time. Thanks staff.

Jeff Schwass    September 7, 2012 at 4:58am

Let's blame Dan Gipe for global warming. That fire was HUGE

g lane    September 7, 2012 at 4:50am

in contrast the thirteenth annual north dakota state championships were held simultaneously and




results arent even posted yet.

Todd White    September 7, 2012 at 3:50am

The link to the state schedule is here: http://mdgo.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=18&Itemid=5 and can always be found at http://www.mdgo.org.

Everyone is welcome. I fully support people voicing their opinions as it gives food for thought. I don't condone sniping, trolling, or hiding online. It does seem that differences get resolved and ideas are vetted pretty well (but that's just my opinion). One of the reasons we made the first meeting so early ... more

The link to the state schedule is here: http://mdgo.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=18&Itemid=5 and can always be found at http://www.mdgo.org.

Everyone is welcome. I fully support people voicing their opinions as it gives food for thought. I don't condone sniping, trolling, or hiding online. It does seem that differences get resolved and ideas are vetted pretty well (but that's just my opinion). One of the reasons we made the first meeting so early is to not wait until the last minute to implement the changes that we decide on and will be good for the state.

Keith and Mark have stated most of the reasons of why we do the things we do for the state finals. The largest problem every year seems to be enthusiasm for ideas but zero effort towards implementing anything. We had some people step up this year and run courses and I commend them for that. Not everything went the smoothest but it went well.

As the PDGA state coordinator I am always trying to figure out how the two entities can pool their resources the best to make golf in Michigan ever better. Having feed back helps as always.

My hats off to everyone who pitched in. Without EVERYONE, this would have NEVER happened.

My closing arguments for a successful Championships will be....
Did everyone enjoy themselves (#1)?
Did you get your 'value' out of the tournament?
Were the payouts good?
Did you take advantage of the player party & fireworks? Oh, and the 30' x 15' bonfire? :)