Thanks. I know, but I don't really throw thumbers. I can do tomahawks when it's needed. Used to throw tomahawks off the tee when I first started & haven't really done anything like that since then. I kept hitting that friggin' big tree 3 out of the last 5 times or so that I've played from the long tees on #6..2 of 'em ended up OB. It was safe yesterday & the other 2 were birdies. Will have to come up with a different approach next time...sheesh.