Wednesday Night Dubs 2012

Louie Orozco    September 22, 2012 at 1:43am

Thanks to those of you that came out to the Extended Dubs Wednesday night. That was some hardcore "LIVE ACTION"!!! Remember, next Wednesday will be the last organized Dubs event I run for the year. Sunset will be at 7:48 that day. I also appreciate those of you who pitched in to get me the disc, gift card, and growler. That growler is going down tonight! YEYEYEYEYEYEYEYEYE!!!

Brad Larson    September 20, 2012 at 2:00am

Anyone out there have a clean, low 170's red champ katana there willing to part with? I will trade for it or buy it if you do, I need it for a custom dye job. If anyone can help me out it would be greatly appreciated, thanks.

Thad Murgatroyd    September 19, 2012 at 9:41am

I am working on east side so wont make it but becareful those that play

Dale Williams    September 19, 2012 at 8:15am

FYI, coming from ADN, this Wednessday is supposed to be Anchorage's 3rd bid windstorm

Louie Orozco    September 18, 2012 at 9:41pm

Don't forget about Dubs tomorrow at Kincaid. Be there by 6:00 pm, only $5. We'll be playing 1-6 then loop back around to finish with 13-18 (the Near 12). Sunset is at 8:11 pm. See you there!!!

Adam Klein    September 17, 2012 at 5:45am

I am in as well...

Louie Orozco    September 14, 2012 at 1:10am

Thanks to those of you that came out for the Near 9 Dubs last night. And a special thanks to those of you who replied letting me know you'd be there. It's people like you who make me realize that there are a few of you who see that my time (like yours) is valuable. With that being said, I'd like to extend this Near Nine league for the next two Wednesdays. Sunset the next two Dubs will be at 8:11 (19th) and 7:48 (26th). My card finished in 1 hour. The last card came in 20-25 ... more

Thanks to those of you that came out for the Near 9 Dubs last night. And a special thanks to those of you who replied letting me know you'd be there. It's people like you who make me realize that there are a few of you who see that my time (like yours) is valuable. With that being said, I'd like to extend this Near Nine league for the next two Wednesdays. Sunset the next two Dubs will be at 8:11 (19th) and 7:48 (26th). My card finished in 1 hour. The last card came in 20-25 minutes later. JT$ suggested we do 1-6, 13-18. That's a good loop so knowing we will have the time to do so, that's what we'll do on the 19th. The 26th will be the Near 9 again. No need to let me know you'll be at the next two Dubs. It's that first one that's always questionable. See you guys there!

Dale Williams    September 12, 2012 at 4:12am

I am in

Louie Orozco    September 12, 2012 at 1:31am

Alright, 7 of you have replied. 5 more and we'll do it! If you see a dozen on here that have responded just assume we'll be there. If you don't, you'd better call before you head over. Hope to see you all there!

Jeremiah Simono    September 12, 2012 at 1:02am

First off, I appreciate all the time and effort you put into running leagues Louie. Sincerely... thank you. It's mostly a thankless job and it doesn't get any easier with more people. I know, I've ran it for you before, most of them @ Hilltop last year. I even tried to start another at Hilltop this year (with your permission, thanks again) which I ended after 4 weeks and rolled the money over into WND. Had I not been at Hilltop, I would have gone to WND 4 more times.

I would lo ... more

First off, I appreciate all the time and effort you put into running leagues Louie. Sincerely... thank you. It's mostly a thankless job and it doesn't get any easier with more people. I know, I've ran it for you before, most of them @ Hilltop last year. I even tried to start another at Hilltop this year (with your permission, thanks again) which I ended after 4 weeks and rolled the money over into WND. Had I not been at Hilltop, I would have gone to WND 4 more times.

I would love to put in more time volunteering and helping out the ADGA with tourneys and all but I can't. I have 3 young kids at home (two in diapers), a wife, and a very demanding career (I haven't had weekends off in 3 years). After work I'm relief for a stay at home mom and I've literally fought to get one night a week to myself. About half of those nights I'm asked to skip my night off for various, probably legitimate, reasons. Most of the time I leave the house anyways, and when I do get away, I choose to spend it playing WND. Running a league was my insurance I wouldn't have to stay home ;-)

With that said... I am disappointed in how this league ended. Yes I understand that not everyone can play for the money and know Louie is/was in a tough position, however; this is not about the money in my mind and Louie dose not need be put in that awful position ever again. One of the problems this year is that we had a near 30 person average, up from 19 last year. The rest of this may sound like I'm angry or I want something out of all this. I'm not upset (I was pissed off Wednesday night, but thats not like me really), I would just like to see a transparent and logical selection system implemented in the future. One that fills every last slot.

Although, I think 20 spots was about right (22 maybe), it appears that only 18 played the final. I showed up for "the lottery" at Kincaid at 6:00 which supposedly took place on-line with zero witnesses. This was after not getting a response to any of the 3 messages I sent prior to the announcement of "the lottery". Its obvious I was interested in playing from those and the posts below. Jamie and Luke were the winners with the last two spots going unfilled? After driving out there I was told I couldn't even play Cali without mulligans... I was willing to even pay twice to accommodate the extra payout. Maybe I read it wrong, but I assumed "the lottery" was to be held at Kincaid for all to see (my bad I guess). Don't assume everyone checks the Scene as much as I do... and announcing "the lottery" 1 day ahead of dubs was not ideal.

Another problem was the lack of transparency to that lottery process as well as the whole "wait and figure out what the qualifiers should be" during the final few weeks. Anytime one person is tasked with quickly making decisions that effect a group, you are going to upset people. It's a tough position, also one that can be easily avoided, or, easily abused, even if they have only good intentions. Pat had 13 rounds and 88 points... he placed 7th for the league and did not "legitimately qualify"? Thats right out there in plain view, and quite frankly, from the Leagues and the ADGAs standpoint, embarrassing. I'm just gonna assume Pat and Louie aren't close, cause I'm sure 2 bonus points could have been found for him somewhere or at least he could have been told of a way to earn them (I'm pretty sure Louie's at least off his Christmas list for now).

Before everyone starts talking a bunch of crap, I'm not saying that Louie is dishonest or trying to bash him. I fully trust Louie to run any league in the future. I'm just merely sharing my observations. If it looks or sounds bad, thats what I observed. A few easy rules could be followed to establish absolute fairness and transparency in the final dubs selection process, which would leave no one feeling cheated or left out. On paper, this year was far from fair and transparent. Make the rules known at the start of the league on the league page. That way you can tell every whiner, myself included, "sorry, go read the website," rather than, "I don't know what to say."

The following suggestions are based on the fact this year only 6 people qualified with 90 points prior to assigning bonus points (one of them during the last regular league round). Clearly the league shifted toward a support based qualification, rather than point based, since the remaining people qualified with rounds played or bonus points given for support of the league. The original 6 naturally would have also qualified using a completely support based approach rather than using points. Also, 90 points was the mark last year when we played 20 rounds (10 qualified), this year we played just 17 rounds.

Suggestions:

1) The number of players in the final WND shall be closest to a set-in-stone percentage of the season average. Looks like no more than 60 or 70% from the last two. (Sounds like thats being followed already, great! Make it part of the rules.)

2) Qualification shall be based solely on support of THE LEAGUE ONLY (read: number of rounds played), with points earned being the tie-breaker for rounds-played. Bonus points are still OK using this format, see below.

3) Points shall ONLY determine league standings and tie-breakers, not actual support of the league. (No more of the "you need this many points 2-3 weeks from the final," please)

4) Players can receive bonus points from the League Administrator for supporting the league in ways other than playing league rounds. Contact the League Administrator for opportunities to volunteer. Female league players receive extra points for (Obviously this already takes place but details are lacking.)

I was going to ask for a break down of how bonus points are awarded for fairness to everyone that may need them in the final weeks, but its not all that important. All I know is you get 60 points for having a ****. OK, before everyone hates me for that as well... I can support that decision, or at least something similar for the ladies. I'm truly grateful that the they all come out and play and support the league (sincerely, please don't hate me for stating the facts in a comedic but somewhat offensive way. If you do, I apologize). However, the key to successfully establishing something like that would be to do it BEFORE the first league round, not AFTER the last one. Cause when the "ladies 60 point rule" is equal to the amount of points needed for a certain female to "legitimately qualify" and its announced only after the last round is played its questionable to say the least. Wait it gets better...

Following the "ladies 60 point rule," and the suggestions above, Kelsey would have "legitimately qualified" for the final dubs along with everyone else that played (except for "the lottery winners"). Go figure. I'm willing to bet there are at least 18 people that are happy with they way dubs ended, but I'm sure some of the 90 people who played this year are smart enough to see it was pretty flawed and open to playing favorites. I hope a few of those 18 can see my point.

As for my self, whatever whatever, I was on the edge for qualifying so I'm not too bent up about. It's water under the bridge. Like I said, I fully trust Louie to keep doing what hes been doing for so many years. I was more disappointed not being able to play disc golf, and could care less about the money. Yes everybody likes winning cash (my goal is to have fun and hopefully break even), but I was mostly upset I lost my Wednesday night out with people I enjoy playing disc golf with. And no, I wasn't going to tag along on a card of my choice to "play for fun" as suggested. Thats probably only slightly less annoying to some people than this post.

There it is... hate it, love it, ignore it, take it with a grain of salt, or call me a whiny b*tch. Tell me I should focus my time on something else than writing crap like this. I DID NOT write this in my free time, but down time, when I really can't do much else (otherwise I never would have spent more than a few sentences on the subject if anything at all). I was just gonna let it go, (which is more my style anyways), but honestly, I kept seeing the final standings with Pat in 7th place before the final and for some reason couldn't.

My sole purpose of this is to IMPROVE the league, NOT pick it apart. Thanks for putting up with my opinion... we all got one, if you know what I mean.

Thad Murgatroyd    September 12, 2012 at 12:59am

Im down

Nick Collaer    September 11, 2012 at 10:51pm

I'm in for near 9.

Brad Larson    September 11, 2012 at 9:15pm

I'm down for near 9

Som Bouasri    September 11, 2012 at 9:15am

Near nine for me

Louie Orozco    September 11, 2012 at 8:43am

Is anyone interested in a "near 9 (1-5, 15-18)" at Kincaid over the next few Wednesdays? $5 Random Draw Dubs ($1 to the club and the rest towards the payout), 6:15 start, payout up to 3 teams max (higher payouts). Only 9 holes to seal the deal!!! If a dozen of you are down, let me know and we'll do it. Send me a text. I already have 3 interested. Milkin' it!

Danny Trubiano    September 5, 2012 at 2:10am

Ill jump on the Pat Bandwagon Express, I would like to proxy my 7 tickets into Pats name bringing his total to 20! If that's ok with Lou Dogg? The Cowboys and G-Men are kicking off the NFL season and I have a party to go too! Lou Dogg, Ill square up the $7 when I see you at the Ace Race! I love the idea of raffeling off the last three spots based on how many times someone has come out to have fun and support the club! It's more than Fair! If everyone on this post was as passionat ... more

Ill jump on the Pat Bandwagon Express, I would like to proxy my 7 tickets into Pats name bringing his total to 20! If that's ok with Lou Dogg? The Cowboys and G-Men are kicking off the NFL season and I have a party to go too! Lou Dogg, Ill square up the $7 when I see you at the Ace Race! I love the idea of raffeling off the last three spots based on how many times someone has come out to have fun and support the club! It's more than Fair! If everyone on this post was as passionate to showing up this summer as they are about how the last three spots should be divied-up then they would be more than qualified. Lol just-sayin. Thx Dogg for all you do and tolerate. Peace!

Louie Orozco    September 5, 2012 at 12:40am

I appreciate your feedback guys. However, I am set in stone with my decision on how to divvy up these last 3 spots (assuming everyone who qualified will be there tomorrow. I'll send a text to all the qualifiers today to make sure they'll be there otherwise I'll have to fill more spots). In the example I gave I was hoping those who read it would realize that I too am pulling for Pat to be there. I compared two people. One had attended 7 leagues, the other 13 leagues. Which of ... more

I appreciate your feedback guys. However, I am set in stone with my decision on how to divvy up these last 3 spots (assuming everyone who qualified will be there tomorrow. I'll send a text to all the qualifiers today to make sure they'll be there otherwise I'll have to fill more spots). In the example I gave I was hoping those who read it would realize that I too am pulling for Pat to be there. I compared two people. One had attended 7 leagues, the other 13 leagues. Which of the two would I rather thank by having them be there? If you guessed Pat, you are correct. No offense Danny, I know you see the point I'm making. If Danny can buy 7 tickets and Pat can buy 13 the odds are in Pat's favor. Right? Danny would have a 35% chance of having his name drawn versus Pat having a 65% chance (assuming these two were the only to buy tickets, which they aren't). Happy bidding!

Jeremiah Simono    September 4, 2012 at 10:01pm

To be fair, in my honest opinion, it should be most rounds played with points being a tiebreaker.
Pat Zajac
Me, and...
Mike Guilliame wins the 10 rounds-rounds-played tiebreaker with most points for the last spot, unless Kelsey had enough magic bonus points to beat Mike. Just thought I would put it out there. I guess I will see who shows up tomorrow if this lotto is set in stone.

Dale Williams    September 4, 2012 at 9:58pm

I agree with Jeremiah...straight up, the closest to the boarderline! If the line should tilt, it looks like it should tilt in Pats favor. If we determine who should go based upon the statistics, 13/17 is about 76%, that is much more than most of the remaining league players, to throw him in that "lottery" doesn't seem fair. He is too close to throw into the lottery with others that have 10 and less show ups at dubs.

Just to throw in my two cents...you know what they say abou ... more

I agree with Jeremiah...straight up, the closest to the boarderline! If the line should tilt, it looks like it should tilt in Pats favor. If we determine who should go based upon the statistics, 13/17 is about 76%, that is much more than most of the remaining league players, to throw him in that "lottery" doesn't seem fair. He is too close to throw into the lottery with others that have 10 and less show ups at dubs.

Just to throw in my two cents...you know what they say about opinions = )

FYI: I still support your final decision LouDogg, I definitely don't envy your position, but I greatly appreciate what you do for the league!!! Keep up the great work Louie!

Jeremiah Simono    September 4, 2012 at 9:55pm

Pat Zajac................13 – 88
Jeremiah Simono.....11 – 67
Rod Step.................9 – 59
Josh Jackson............7 – 52
Josh Stewart............7 – 51
Shawn Graham........9 – 50
Adam Renfro...........6 – 49
Mike Guilliame........10 – 46
Steve Harmsen........7 – 40
Dustin Hansen.........5 – 39
Do ... more

Pat Zajac................13 – 88
Jeremiah Simono.....11 – 67
Rod Step.................9 – 59
Josh Jackson............7 – 52
Josh Stewart............7 – 51
Shawn Graham........9 – 50
Adam Renfro...........6 – 49
Mike Guilliame........10 – 46
Steve Harmsen........7 – 40
Dustin Hansen.........5 – 39
Dominic Plasncia.....9 – 39
Jamie Adams..........8 – 38
Greg Roberts..........5 – 38
Luke Monyer...........6 – 38
Jeremy Boyd.........10 – 37
Danny Trubiano.......7 – 30
Brian Gutzwiller.......5 – 29
Adam Klein...........10 – 29
Russel Janeway.......5 – 28
Jake Hanson...........3 – 27
Chad Moore............3 – 25
Nick Collaer.............2 – 25
Jerry LaVine............9 – 24
Mikey Collins...........4 – 23
Tim Bronschidle.......4 – 23
Chuck D Pettit.........4 – 21
Derek Meier.............4 – 21
David Capossela......4 – 21
Edan Badajos..........2 – 19
Scott Harris.............3 – 15
Kelsey General.......10 – 14
Chris Cheney...........2 – 12
Andy Knowles.........3 – 12
Brian Souther..........2 – 11
Marshall Seltz.........2 – 11
Brian Cassidy..........3 – 11
Ryan Smith.............3 – 11
Don Nelson.............2 – 10
Wayne Danjin.........2 – 10
Andrew DiRoma......2 – 7
Ken Butler..............2 – 5
Duane Shelton........3 – 5
Travis Matlock.........2 – 4
Henry Crankshaw.....3 – 4
Gavin Reid.............2 – 4
People w/ 1 round: 28

260 non-qualifying player rounds

If all possible lotto tickets bought:
13 rounds played = 5% chance
11 rounds played = 4.2% chance
10 rounds played = 3.8% chance