MCCG Indoor Putting 2012-13 @ Sunnybrook

Nate Buban    November 30, 2012 at 3:58am

random draw. am divisions play for plastic and pro divisions play for the cash. BOOM!

Jay B    November 29, 2012 at 11:38pm

...maybe more of a chance for a team to not feel so discouraged if they lost the first 2 games because they might still make the playoffs depending on the margin of victory

Jay B    November 29, 2012 at 11:34pm

More people winning = more people having fun...js

Jay B    November 29, 2012 at 11:32pm

There is one suggestion i havent heard from anyone yet that could work for everyone..Since monday nites have expanded and we now have more courts and people and that much bigger of a pot and this is supposed to be about fun, practice, atmosphere and competition as well, why not make the payouts a little deeper, so more people can have a chance to win something, maybe even do a top 10 instead of 8( if the software can be updated for it)....makes sense and would be more of an incentive for everyone to try harder to make the playoffs..imo

Ken Mango    November 29, 2012 at 10:10pm

Keep Cool Chive On!

doug granby    November 29, 2012 at 11:06am

I think what you've been doing the past few weeks is working fine. me being a novice player and reading a few of these post makes me feel for some of you. I would personally like to thank you guys (PROS) A pool players. Both my partners have been great. Even after the sauce kicks in ol they were more than willing to offer up tips and advice and I appreciated all of it.Thank you MCCG and ALL the others that help what so ever to bring things like this together. i even read someone was trying ... more

I think what you've been doing the past few weeks is working fine. me being a novice player and reading a few of these post makes me feel for some of you. I would personally like to thank you guys (PROS) A pool players. Both my partners have been great. Even after the sauce kicks in ol they were more than willing to offer up tips and advice and I appreciated all of it.Thank you MCCG and ALL the others that help what so ever to bring things like this together. i even read someone was trying to get something like this going on in the D. Imagine if this happens. you could make traveling leagues THAT WOULD BE SO AWESOME! Either way keep it up. I'll be up there every monday NOW that I learned to register asap

John Minicuci    November 29, 2012 at 10:31am

The great thing about all of this is we can all speak freely about the game, the format, the history etc.. No matter what the outcome, I think everyone of you want the night out to be better. In reality, none of us know what is best even though we all think we do, me included.Some want a night out to practice while some look at it as a night out to enjoy good people, maybe hang with our significant other, maybe try to win all of the cash. Whatever the reason, no one should speak or type negativi ... more

The great thing about all of this is we can all speak freely about the game, the format, the history etc.. No matter what the outcome, I think everyone of you want the night out to be better. In reality, none of us know what is best even though we all think we do, me included.Some want a night out to practice while some look at it as a night out to enjoy good people, maybe hang with our significant other, maybe try to win all of the cash. Whatever the reason, no one should speak or type negativity about each other. I think we all want a great time while building on to the success we have created. I didn't do all of this by myself, it was done with a lot of input from many people. The article I wrote and is posted on the Motor City Chain Gang website (thanks Nick Rem) was done in an attempt to get what we have started at Sunnybrook some publicity both in the PDGA newsletter or in the DGW News magazine. I think many people around the country / world would love to have what we have started... Just my $.02

Darren Harper    November 29, 2012 at 8:19am

Ken like you said you dont know me very well and I dont need to be catered to Ive already
y done my thing the new pros should be catered to why practice travel and so forth if your not trying to become better I know you do. Just never understood why you need to know stats we always just knew I won couple of bucks or lost. Lastly Ive never thought to be better than anyone just because of my history in disc golf so please dont try to make it out that way.thanks

Ken Mango    November 29, 2012 at 7:07am

@ Darren
Why should anyone cater to the pro's?
What do the pro's do for leagues and or tournaments?
I'm relatively new to disc golf so I don't claim to know everything, but what I do know
Is that there are a lot more am's running league's, tourneys and helping to put in new courses in our area.
So please educate me on what you have done in your many years
Of disc golfing that warrants everyone to cater to you.

I've only had the pleasure to play with ... more

@ Darren
Why should anyone cater to the pro's?
What do the pro's do for leagues and or tournaments?
I'm relatively new to disc golf so I don't claim to know everything, but what I do know
Is that there are a lot more am's running league's, tourneys and helping to put in new courses in our area.
So please educate me on what you have done in your many years
Of disc golfing that warrants everyone to cater to you.

I've only had the pleasure to play with you a few times and you seemed like a nice guy in person.
Yet online all I read is negativity about formats, payouts, course sizes.

At least now you are not hiding behind a fake name so that people can associate all of your comments to
The almighty Darren Harper.

Steve Brazel    November 29, 2012 at 6:09am

It should either be A/B pool or two divisions (a pro division and an am division). From reading below, it seems the latter did not work. A/B is a lot more fair and competitive than random draw. If it is completely random, then two real good putters will undoubtedly get paired up every week, and everyone else may as well leave, because they are going to win.

Another thing to remember, we are all very competitive, hell we play golf in the winter. Don't forget to just have some fun. It ... more

It should either be A/B pool or two divisions (a pro division and an am division). From reading below, it seems the latter did not work. A/B is a lot more fair and competitive than random draw. If it is completely random, then two real good putters will undoubtedly get paired up every week, and everyone else may as well leave, because they are going to win.

Another thing to remember, we are all very competitive, hell we play golf in the winter. Don't forget to just have some fun. It's $5 and we all get to drink some beer and see friends throughout the winter. We should be so lucky just to have a facility that allows in their doors and to have some great guys running the league for us (thanks John, Ken, Shawn, Ryan and anyone I missed).

Hats off to the guys who run the league. It is a pain in the ass ( I know - because I've been there / done that). And although I can't be there every week, like Derek said, I will be there no matter how the divisions are set up.

Dj Hunt    November 29, 2012 at 5:35am

Payout in plastic and watch the compaining fade away

John Minicuci    November 29, 2012 at 4:44am

I gotcha covered with the Jams for next week. I am already plotting my mojo!

Ken Mango    November 29, 2012 at 3:35am

Oh yeah thanks to Shawn for spinning those mad beats!
(John please remember to charge your ipod next week)

John Minicuci    November 29, 2012 at 3:35am

@Dick - how would you know if someone had like skills unless you keep stats? If you are willing to simply accept what people say for fact, I have some lake front property for sale :-)

John Minicuci    November 29, 2012 at 3:03am

Here is a question for anyone who keeps asking about random draw: what form of analysis is out there that proves random draw is better?

John Minicuci    November 29, 2012 at 2:58am

We did run the split pool one night. NO THANK YOU! It was, as you put it Ken, a big headache. The registration took longer, the games never matched one another so transitions were difficult, I was trying to putt in the (ahem) Pro pool but people were yelling at me because they needed the spreadsheet updated, etc, etc, etc...

Ken Mango    November 29, 2012 at 1:54am

@ John Didnt we try seperating the pro's already? It seems like we did and it was hectic? Do you remember?

Ken Mango    November 29, 2012 at 1:41am

Thanks for crunching the numbers Derek!

Derek Michalak    November 29, 2012 at 12:38am

Bored at work so i figured i would see if i could help on this....Mango supplied me with the spreadsheet and I’ve been crunching numbers all morning on this. If we are going to do divisions in my opinion I'm seeing this being most fair by doing A/B. Right now without adding in Monday's percentages but Monday's cash being added we have had a total of 72 different players show up. With this the A players have been cashing the most taking home $685 with B player ... more

Bored at work so i figured i would see if i could help on this....Mango supplied me with the spreadsheet and I’ve been crunching numbers all morning on this. If we are going to do divisions in my opinion I'm seeing this being most fair by doing A/B. Right now without adding in Monday's percentages but Monday's cash being added we have had a total of 72 different players show up. With this the A players have been cashing the most taking home $685 with B players at $383. I know it's only fictitious to show but if i split all players into A/B/C (24 per pool) then A pool would be at $582.50, B= $290.50 and C= $195. I took four of the top shooters that have played all 4 weeks and wanted to see what division their partner would have been if we did A/B/C.

Herzog @ $120 his partners would have been in pool C,B,B,B.
Borucki @ $80 C,B,C,C.
Frase who is top % @ $10 C,C,C,B.
Schulte @ $25 B,B,C,C (Schulte's first 2 weeks had same partner they took 2nd then 15th)
I would have added Gabris but I heard he was really complaining a lot about his partner last week Monday even though he won.

It's all the luck of the draw who you get as a partner and performance that particular day. I personally like A/B but my only gripe is teams being randomized on the computer. To many times we have seen the same people get the same partners. Coincidence or a glitch by a computer system. Who knows. I'll be there no matter what the division set up is or who i get for a partner.

Also a BIG thanks to John, Ken and Shawn for all the brilliant computer programs and to those that lend your baskets.

One more parting note....There is only a difference of 5% for those that could be considered A or B.

-Peace!

Jason "raffle Bagger" Phillips    November 29, 2012 at 12:05am

Thanks for all your hard work guys! Keep it up. Based on the stats ken posted, all the really good high % putters cash no matter who thay team with.