DGLA: Michigan Cooperative Point Series - Summer 2011

Wade TF    July 15, 2011 at 7:41pm

you caught me

Shaun Adkins    July 15, 2011 at 7:27pm

calling it a double negative and redundant is redundant.

Wade TF    July 15, 2011 at 7:26pm

'-268 under par' is a redundant double negative.

Daemon Stahlin    July 15, 2011 at 7:09pm

get a job

Amateur Hour    July 15, 2011 at 7:07pm

-268 under par for the series

Jon Peters    June 28, 2011 at 4:46am

it was okay mark. jon (the other jon) took care of it. wish you wouldve been there for me to get a tag though! ;) (as if you hadnt spend enough time at holly already haha.

Mark Stephens    June 27, 2011 at 10:09pm

I am sick & I have burned out my directors over the Michigan Amateur Open. I would advise no one travel to the Shoot Out Singles as I bet nobodybwil be therevto run this....

Scott White    June 17, 2011 at 9:16pm

Wow, things sure are tight at the top.. I'm liking how the point tweaks for this season have brought more players into the battle. We will be announcing how the MI State Finals berths will be awarded soon, stay tuned.

nathan Simpson    June 9, 2011 at 4:14am

We are helping iron river run a disc golf tournament in July here's the info if you partake in the sport of disc golf please come out and show your support of UP courses and course development. they hope to sanction it after they start to get decent turns out this year is mainly a fundraiser for them but future events will start to payout in a traditional manner ( can't knock them for trying and they have put a ton of effort into building an awesome course http://www.discgolfscene.com/tournaments/1st_Annual_Rum_Rebellion_Days_Tournament_2011

Mike Even    June 2, 2011 at 4:17pm

537 total players now....Impressive!

Scott White    June 1, 2011 at 8:28pm

Two new leagues added today:
Hickory Hills Singles: http://www.discgolfscene.com/leagues/Hickory_Hills_Singles_League_2011
Disc Chucker Doubles: http://www.discgolfscene.com/leagues/2011_Disc_Chucker_Doubles

Welcome to the 2011 MICPS!

And congrats to Matt Powers - who...um... walked his way up the leaderboard to 2nd overall on the strength of 13 league rounds and two aces already in this campaign.

Amateur Hour    May 19, 2011 at 11:18pm

Moot...

Daemon Stahlin    May 19, 2011 at 10:44pm

yea i was just talking about the pre-reg system for the finale but i guess that point is now moot. thanks foz.

Jim Daniels    May 19, 2011 at 10:25pm

I meant all the work you do which is a lot btw!

Jim Daniels    May 19, 2011 at 10:23pm

Thank you Foz for all the work you, I am definitely in your corner and rooting for your vision to come to fruition.

Foz Miller    May 19, 2011 at 9:46pm

Jim - Thanks

Yes these are important things to understand and learn from. I do take exception to your comment "This is not State Finals, you are trying to get established." When we did the Summer Finale last year we had almost 800 players that could have shown up. That means several courses would be needed, more TDs, more coordination, more food, player packs .... How do you plan for such a potential. Anything over 78 players means extra of everything. Also we are trying to ... more

Jim - Thanks

Yes these are important things to understand and learn from. I do take exception to your comment "This is not State Finals, you are trying to get established." When we did the Summer Finale last year we had almost 800 players that could have shown up. That means several courses would be needed, more TDs, more coordination, more food, player packs .... How do you plan for such a potential. Anything over 78 players means extra of everything. Also we are trying to establish a State Disc Golf League championship. There are potentially many more league players than tournament players. If we are successful in finding ways to increase the fun and other incentives like bigger payouts than this could be the largest statewide disc golf event.

So we know players hate to make decisions early and the don't seem to want to pay in advance. For the same Finale Pete implemented online payment which really helps the TDs - working capital in advance helps them do a lot more for the players. Now I see MDGO is using that same new feature. Change and growth is painful sometimes, not everyone will use these features but options are great and the best stuff will be used until a better option is available.

Sure many players are not willing to travel to play a big league round but if we keep improving and removing the hurdles than collectively we can make this BIG'r. 1000 players starts to get sponsor interest - then there is money from more than just the players or a little merch which represent a lot of work for the TDs and venture capital that may not be recovered. You have to try different things and test the waters, learn from the results and adjust. If leagues are more successful we will see more players in tournaments which means the whole sport grows and improves.

Thanks for the reminder of the challenges and your feedback. This is what is going to help us grow. Thanks

Daemon - Thanks for the "retarded" post - all feedback has it's place and I needed a good laugh - I can always count on you ;-)

Travis Smith    May 19, 2011 at 6:56pm

Sounds good to me. Nice work!

Scott White    May 19, 2011 at 6:42pm

We implemented a new rule at the beginning of this season in the interest of fair play for all. Here it is:
"If Handicaps are used to determine payouts then the Handicapped adjusted scores should be entered into the
score form. This ensures points are awarded based on the same system used by the league for that round."
(full document is here: http://www.discgolfleagueassociation.com/MICoPS_2011_Summer_League_Summary_5_01.pdf)

So after looking at the Coldbrook and Oshtemo leagu ... more

We implemented a new rule at the beginning of this season in the interest of fair play for all. Here it is:
"If Handicaps are used to determine payouts then the Handicapped adjusted scores should be entered into the
score form. This ensures points are awarded based on the same system used by the league for that round."
(full document is here: http://www.discgolfleagueassociation.com/MICoPS_2011_Summer_League_Summary_5_01.pdf)

So after looking at the Coldbrook and Oshtemo leagues we found them to be in violation of this rule. Basically the raw scores are being entered and the end of season payouts are based on points earned based on how well you shoot from your average score, which is a handicap. After talking with Larry we have come to the unfortunate (for both sides) conclusion that they have to be removed from this seasons point series. He basically doesn't compute a handicap adjusted score for each round so he has no way of adhering to the rule without a brand new (for him) handicap calculation which he is not prepared to take on. We both understand each others position and we are looking for a way to fix this for future versions of the MICPS.

That said we will also be looking at all of the other handicap leagues in the MICPS to verify all are compliant with this guideline. The intent of this rule is to keep the point series competitive for all leagues large and small, singles and doubles. Thanks

Scott White    May 19, 2011 at 12:33am

Jim, we're actually not doing a Finale this season that will affect the final points standings. We are doing a "league party" which will include disc golf and an awards ceremony for those who attend.

We do have some MDGO berths to give away so stay tuned on how to win those. Until then just keep racking up those points.

Daemon Stahlin    May 19, 2011 at 12:32am

agreed jim. the 2-week in advance pre reg cutoff for what is basically a bigger better saturday dubs is basically retarded.